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Red V symbol (log file not valid) after OLC upload.
On Nov 25, 1:10*am, Max Kellermann wrote:
Peter Purdie wrote: A PDA file may have the .IGC suffix, but it isn't a valid file for any Badge, Record or OLC claim (no pressure data). A PDA file is valid for OLC. *OLC approved quite a few PDA applications (including XCSoar and most/all commercial ones). But you cannot use the XCsoar file for the league score. Is it so high profile that persons would be more inclined to cheat? We have many pilots at our field using XCsoar because we love the program and for the ease of claiming a flight from the SD card. Last year I used XCsoar for all flights except league weekends where I was forced to use the Cam Nav20 and upload the igc file generated by SeeYou. Many use XCsoar on the IPAQ310 and cannot compete in the league speed scoring. Randy "AV8" |
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Red V symbol (log file not valid) after OLC upload.
On Nov 24, 11:24*pm, Ramy wrote:
On Nov 23, 7:02*pm, Cliff Hilty wrote: Im still trying to figure out why any of the files have to be "secure" ! Security is an illusion. I thought the intent of the OLC was to promote more people flying and friendly competition. Still scratching my head with all of this regulatory crap. After all, we are all in it for the money and the girls right? If they want to cheat that bad let them. Its been my experience that the cheaters are found out and rightly ostersized out of the sport anyway. Just my .2 cents worth. And while Im at it that goes the same for badge and record flights. AFAIC KISS principal applies. What are we testing after all, how good am I at flying or following recording procedures. Jumping off the soap box now and flame sheilds on! CH Can't agree more. These requirements are nonsense. Logger security is an illusion.. There are easier ways to fake a flight. You can just take your secure logger in a power plane and claim a wave flight. Or stay on tow for the whole flight and manipulate the start and end of the flight in the claim form. I've seen many flights with land outs and aero retrieve all included in the flight since the pilot did not turn off the logger until after the aero retrieve. I believe it is also possible to hook condor to a PDA and generate a valid IGC file. Someone posted such a flight once as an experiment. We need to put pressure on OLC to drop these requirements. Real shame that OLC is changing these requirements. I do not see the benefit. Time to ask for a change Ron Gleason |
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Red V symbol (log file not valid) after OLC upload.
Ron Gleason wrote:
Real shame that OLC is changing these requirements. I do not see the benefit. Time to ask for a change Time to ask for an OLC successor. The OLC has denied access to its databases for scientific projects in the past, effectively hindering scientific progress. And the OLC has tried to shut down free speech: Reiner Rose (the CEO and owner of the company that runs the OLC) has threatened to remove XCSoar from the list of approved software after I criticized the OLC (I happen to be a XCSoar developer). Critical pilot comments are being deleted from the web site. Eventually, the XCSoar project and its volunteers will build a public and truly free web site for live tracking and flight upload, fully integrated into our software. There will be no limit on the number of IGC files one may download. Max |
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Red V symbol (log file not valid) after OLC upload.
Am sort of wondering if the most recent "support" that was done had
its own Y2K issue? Meaning that the conversion program to make a valid file was only going to create one named correctly for that year. My understanding was that Carl Ekdahl's program would work if you went back and changed the name of the .igc file it created to match the year convention that the OLC validation program was looking for. In other words, Carl's program had its own "Y2K" sort of issue, as well. All of which has me waiting until January 1 to make a log file, convert it using the program that works right now, see the name the program gives the file, alter it if necessary, and try to upload it and see what comments I get back from them. I hope that they simply took an easier way out when the latest conversion program was made, and that the older Model 10/20/25 files can still be uploaded for full OLC "Green" status by using the same program we currently use and then jumping through yet one more hoop before uploading and hoping it will "take" on the first attempt. I certainly don't like all the extras those of us with Original GPS Equipment have to go through. But, I am an insane child of the Microsoft Generation. Keep doing the same thing over again long enough, and it will work. If not, hit the start button to shut the system down, and try again. Isn't it wonderful? Anyone willing or able to ask the OLC folks if the above might be true? I mean, if there is a program that can make an acceptable igc file from a cai file now, what is changing in the igc file format effective 1-1-12 that would make that same program no longer work? Sounds like they don't want to spend time fixing a Y2K sort of issue with a cai to igc conversion program. Any better theories? Steve Leonard (still got a boat load of them Cambridge Loggers) |
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Red V symbol (log file not valid) after OLC upload.
what is changing in the igc file format effective 1-1-12 that would make that same program no longer work? Sounds like they don't want to spend time fixing a Y2K sort of issue with a cai to igc conversion program. It already doesn't work. You don't have to wait til 1/1/2012. |
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Red V symbol (log file not valid) after OLC upload.
On Nov 28, 6:03*pm, Westbender wrote:
what is changing in the igc file format effective 1-1-12 that would make that same program no longer work? Sounds like they don't want to spend time fixing a Y2K sort of issue with a cai to igc conversion program. It already doesn't work. You don't have to wait til 1/1/2012. When did it stop? I have a flight from 23 October that uploaded just fine. Cambridge Model 20. In the 2012 OLC Season. May not be working for you, but the conversion program I found works for me. Granted, it sometimes takes two or maybe three uploads for it to be successful, but it does work and is all green Vs. Steve |
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Red V symbol (log file not valid) after OLC upload.
When did it stop? *I have a flight from 23 October that uploaded just fine. *Cambridge Model 20. *In the 2012 OLC Season. *May not be working for you, but the conversion program I found works for me. Granted, it sometimes takes two or maybe three uploads for it to be successful, but it does work and is all green Vs. Steve I guess you missed my meaning. Lots of people have been having problems all season long due to this igc conversion work-around. Although it will cease working for everyone at the end of the year. |
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Red V symbol (log file not valid) after OLC upload.
On Nov 30, 10:51*am, Westbender wrote:
I guess you missed my meaning. Lots of people have been having problems all season long due to this igc conversion work-around. Although it will cease working for everyone at the end of the year. Nope, I didn't miss your meaning. It was never exactly easy for me all season long, either. Sometimes it would successfully upload on the first try, other flights would take 4 or 5 attempts of uploading the exact same file using the exact same approach. Have no idea why, it just was that way. I have seen the threads, and been involved in helping several get things working for them. "Working" meaning that after enough tries of uploading the same file, they would get the green V. As stated previously, I am going to see if the "support" that goes away on January 1 is just a wrong file name from the file conversion program. |
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Red V symbol (log file not valid) after OLC upload.
On Dec 1, 9:45*am, Steve Leonard wrote:
On Nov 30, 10:51*am, Westbender wrote: I guess you missed my meaning. Lots of people have been having problems all season long due to this igc conversion work-around. Although it will cease working for everyone at the end of the year. Nope, I didn't miss your meaning. *It was never exactly easy for me all season long, either. *Sometimes it would successfully upload on the first try, other flights would take 4 or 5 attempts of uploading the exact same file using the exact same approach. *Have no idea why, it just was that way. *I have seen the threads, and been involved in helping several get things working for them. *"Working" meaning that after enough tries of uploading the same file, they would get the green V. As stated previously, I am going to see if the "support" that goes away on January 1 is just a wrong file name from the file conversion program. Don't forget that they have a special process that deals with these "hybrid" cai/igc files in a different way. They had to write special code to validate them. These files are different from the "standard" igc format. If they disable that special process, all bets are off. Changing file names won't help in any way. It sounds to me like they are going to retire that special validation process for cai/igc hybrid files. |
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