currency question

On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 02:14:20 GMT, "L. R. Du Broff"
wrote:

dancingstarcreations wrote
in :

Ross Oliver wrote:
I believe you may also use an IGI (instrument ground instructor) in a
sim in lieu of a CFI. CFI's cost more !

Not true. I'm both IGI and CFII. Currency or other required training, if
done in a sim, requires the CFII endorsement. IGI won't do it.


An IGI MAY provide the training and sign off the requirements of
currency for 61.57 (c) in a simulator or approved training device. He
may not, however, sign off an IPC, although he may provide the
training required for an IPC. Sim and training device training is
considered ground training. FAR 61.215 (c)

When I was an instrument student, I made up an approach to an airport
that did not have any approaches. It was a circle to land. I even made
an approach plate on the same size paper as the govt charts and put
every little number and detail on it. It was an interesting exercise. I
then went out and flew it (in VFR conditions), and flew the missed.

I see no reason to use it for currency, might as well use a real
approach as these familiarize you with an approach you might use in IMC
someday. Familiar approaches are easier for me to fly.

I have drawn up a approach that I use for instrument training that includes
a DME arc because no such approach is conveniently available. I have also
used published approaches but added 1000 feet to minimums for training
purposes when the destination airport was busy. In both cases, I consider
them training exercises but do not include for currency purposes.



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Have you ever "made up" an approach to a nonexistent airport for the
purposes of training or currency? I mean, to pick a space in the
boonies, and then use nearby navaids to fashion a homemade approach to
an imaginary runway. Some instructors will do this.

Now, I was wondering, is there any way flying such an "approach" could
be loggable towards instrument currency?

(obviously, under the hood, VFR, with a safety pilot. You'd be insane
and illegal to try this with real IMC)

The advantages this could provide are mostly convenience (not having to
deal with the traffic-related delays associated with an approach to a
real airport with real controllers) and also variety -- you could fly
flavors of approaches that aren't available near where you live.

What do you guys thing?

-- dave j



61.57(c)(1):

(c) Instrument experience. Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this
section, no person may act as pilot in command under IFR or in weather
conditions less than the minimums prescribed for VFR, unless within the
preceding 6 calendar months, that person has:

(1) For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in an aircraft
(other than a glider), performed and logged under actual or simulated
instrument conditions, either in flight in the appropriate category of
aircraft for the instrument privileges sought or in a flight simulator
or flight training device that is representative of the aircraft
category for the instrument privileges sought-

(i) At least six instrument approaches;

(ii) Holding procedures; and

(iii) Intercepting and tracking courses through the use of navigation
systems.

wrote:
Have you ever "made up" an approach to a nonexistent airport for the
purposes of training or currency? I mean, to pick a space in the
boonies, and then use nearby navaids to fashion a homemade approach to
an imaginary runway. Some instructors will do this.

Yes, as my local airport didn't have an NDB approach, but it did have an
AM radio station about 5 miles away. This was only for training
purposes with an instructor, however.


Now, I was wondering, is there any way flying such an "approach" could
be loggable towards instrument currency?

I don't know the answer, but I'd be surprised if the FAA would consider
that to be a loggable approach for currency.


(obviously, under the hood, VFR, with a safety pilot. You'd be insane
and illegal to try this with real IMC)

The advantages this could provide are mostly convenience (not having to
deal with the traffic-related delays associated with an approach to a
real airport with real controllers) and also variety -- you could fly
flavors of approaches that aren't available near where you live.

What do you guys thing?

I live in a fairly rural area and have uncontrolled airports within 30
miles or so that have published approaches. And my current home field
is controlled, but isn't busy so flying practice approaches there seldom
uses any significant additional time.

Matt

Why would you want to? Part of doing approaches is working
within the existing system. Which, in my opinion is more challenging
than the flying part.


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oups.com...

Have you ever "made up" an approach to a nonexistent airport for the
purposes of training or currency? I mean, to pick a space in the
boonies, and then use nearby navaids to fashion a homemade approach to
an imaginary runway. Some instructors will do this.

Now, I was wondering, is there any way flying such an "approach" could
be loggable towards instrument currency?

(obviously, under the hood, VFR, with a safety pilot. You'd be insane
and illegal to try this with real IMC)

The advantages this could provide are mostly convenience (not having to
deal with the traffic-related delays associated with an approach to a
real airport with real controllers) and also variety -- you could fly
flavors of approaches that aren't available near where you live.

What do you guys thing?

-- dave j



61.57(c)(1):

(c) Instrument experience. Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this
section, no person may act as pilot in command under IFR or in weather
conditions less than the minimums prescribed for VFR, unless within the
preceding 6 calendar months, that person has:

(1) For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in an aircraft
(other than a glider), performed and logged under actual or simulated
instrument conditions, either in flight in the appropriate category of
aircraft for the instrument privileges sought or in a flight simulator
or flight training device that is representative of the aircraft
category for the instrument privileges sought-

(i) At least six instrument approaches;

(ii) Holding procedures; and

(iii) Intercepting and tracking courses through the use of navigation
systems.

Why would you want to [make up an approach]?

because sometimes it's hard to get an actual practice approach to
minimums. This is especially true of ILSs at busy airports in the
NorthEast (though I'll admit the nature of an ILS precludes a made-up one).

Jose
--
The price of freedom is... well... freedom.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Look at it this way. The question of your currency will only come up
when you are involved in an accident. How do you think your insurance
company or FAA will react when they see these made-up approaches in your
logbook? Even if they are not illegal, they can nail you on not using
proper procedures and cite them as reckless conduct.

Made-up approaches are fine to build proficiency, but don't count those
towards your currency.







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Have you ever "made up" an approach to a nonexistent airport for the
purposes of training or currency? I mean, to pick a space in the
boonies, and then use nearby navaids to fashion a homemade approach to
an imaginary runway. Some instructors will do this.

Now, I was wondering, is there any way flying such an "approach" could
be loggable towards instrument currency?

(obviously, under the hood, VFR, with a safety pilot. You'd be insane
and illegal to try this with real IMC)

The advantages this could provide are mostly convenience (not having
to
deal with the traffic-related delays associated with an approach to a
real airport with real controllers) and also variety -- you could fly
flavors of approaches that aren't available near where you live.

What do you guys thing?

-- dave j



61.57(c)(1):

(c) Instrument experience. Except as provided in paragraph (e) of
this
section, no person may act as pilot in command under IFR or in weather
conditions less than the minimums prescribed for VFR, unless within
the
preceding 6 calendar months, that person has:

(1) For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in an aircraft
(other than a glider), performed and logged under actual or simulated
instrument conditions, either in flight in the appropriate category of
aircraft for the instrument privileges sought or in a flight simulator
or flight training device that is representative of the aircraft
category for the instrument privileges sought-

(i) At least six instrument approaches;

(ii) Holding procedures; and

(iii) Intercepting and tracking courses through the use of navigation
systems.

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
Look at it this way. The question of your currency will only come up
when you are involved in an accident.

Or you bust some other reg or otherwise come to the FAA's attention.
Then they'll dig for anything they can smack you with.