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Clearance on hold, hold for release
Up until the other day, when I heard "Hold for Release" it was after I had copied, read back and accepted my IFR clearance, squalk code, and had received ground control clearance to taxi to the departure runway. It rarely involved waiting more than 10 minutes before being cleared to taxi, or takeoff. Our airport has a clearance frequency, which I contacted first on the day in question after engine start. The controller said switch to ground frequency to receive my clearance, which I did. I repeated "ready to copy" and received my clearance as filed except for a squalk code and departure frequency. I asked for the code and frequency and was told "Standby, Hold for Release". I figured, OK, there's a slight delay. So I asked again in 10 minutes, as was told in an abrupt manner, "Hold for release", but nothing else. So, after waiting another 30 minutes with the engine running I called again for my squalk code and departure frequency. I was pretty surprised by the response. The controller said, almost as a reprimand, very angrily, "What are you still waiting there for! You'll get your squalk when you're ready for takeoff!" Then and only then did he issue taxi instructions to the active, which I complied with. After getting into position for the run-up, he said to contact the tower, which I did. Tower asked me how much time I needed to get ready, and I said, "About 5 minutes, but I still need a squalk code and departure frequency." Then, tower said, "standby, hold for release." After a minute he came back with the squalk code and frequency, and I was cleared to depart. So, my question is, what exactly does the term "hold for release" mean within the context of the situation I've described? What could/should I have done differently; i.e., said "ready to taxi" after hearing "hold for release" the first time, expecting to receive the code and frequency from the tower when ready for takeoff? Thank you very much. Hap |
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Clearance on hold, hold for release
I've only ever heard "hold for release" at non-towered airports when using an RCO or when working via FSS. Then, it's part of the clearance and needs to be read back. At a towered airport, I don't see the point in him telling you "hold for release" as ATC has to clear you on to the runway in any case. I've some times been told "Hold short -- awaiting IFR release" when I've called #1 and ready to go at a towered airport, but that's really just a hold short instruction with a reason attached, and even then, it's not like your situation where you were given the hold pretaxi. |
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Clearance on hold, hold for release
Further to this, I found this in the ATC manual... http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...atc0403.html.1 "Hold for release" instructions shall be used when necessary to inform a pilot or a controller that a departure clearance is not valid until additional instructions are received. While it's grouped together with void times and other techniques used at non-towered airports, there's nothing in there at explicitly says it can't be used to indicate an incomplete clearance at a towered field. Still it's awfully misleading. "I'll get back to you with the beacon code" would have been a lot clearer! |
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Clearance on hold, hold for release
Hap wrote:
Up until the other day, when I heard "Hold for Release" it was after I had copied, read back and accepted my IFR clearance, squalk code, and had received ground control clearance to taxi to the departure runway. It rarely involved waiting more than 10 minutes before being cleared to taxi, or takeoff. Our airport has a clearance frequency, which I contacted first on the day in question after engine start. The controller said switch to ground frequency to receive my clearance, which I did. I repeated "ready to copy" and received my clearance as filed except for a squalk code and departure frequency. I asked for the code and frequency and was told "Standby, Hold for Release". I figured, OK, there's a slight delay. So I asked again in 10 minutes, as was told in an abrupt manner, "Hold for release", but nothing else. So, after waiting another 30 minutes with the engine running I called again for my squalk code and departure frequency. I was pretty surprised by the response. The controller said, almost as a reprimand, very angrily, "What are you still waiting there for! You'll get your squalk when you're ready for takeoff!" Then and only then did he issue taxi instructions to the active, which I complied with. After getting into position for the run-up, he said to contact the tower, which I did. Tower asked me how much time I needed to get ready, and I said, "About 5 minutes, but I still need a squalk code and departure frequency." Then, tower said, "standby, hold for release." After a minute he came back with the squalk code and frequency, and I was cleared to depart. So, my question is, what exactly does the term "hold for release" mean within the context of the situation I've described? What could/should I have done differently; i.e., said "ready to taxi" after hearing "hold for release" the first time, expecting to receive the code and frequency from the tower when ready for takeoff? "Hold for release" is used to inform a pilot that an IFR departure clearance is not valid until a release or release time has been issued. In the context of the situation you described, an IFR departure from a towered airport, it's superfluous as you cannot depart without a takeoff clearance. |
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Clearance on hold, hold for release
On Jun 24, 7:53*am, Hap wrote:
Up until the other day, when I heard "Hold for Release" it was after I had copied, read back and accepted my IFR clearance, squalk code, and had received ground control clearance to taxi to the departure runway. It rarely involved waiting more than 10 minutes before being cleared to taxi, or takeoff. Our airport has a clearance frequency, which I contacted first on the day in question after engine start. The controller said switch to ground frequency to receive my clearance, which I did. I repeated "ready to copy" and received my clearance as filed except for a squalk code and departure frequency. I asked for the code and frequency and was told "Standby, Hold for Release". I figured, OK, there's a slight delay. So I asked again in 10 minutes, as was told in an abrupt manner, "Hold for release", but nothing else. So, after waiting another 30 minutes with the engine running I called again for my squalk code and departure frequency. I was pretty surprised by the response. The *controller said, almost as a reprimand, very angrily, "What are you still waiting there for! You'll get your squalk when you're ready for takeoff!" Then and only then did he issue taxi instructions to the active, which I complied with. After getting into position for the run-up, he said to contact the tower, which I did. Tower asked me how much time I needed to get ready, and I said, "About 5 minutes, but I still need a squalk code and departure frequency." Then, tower said, "standby, hold for release." *After a minute he came back with the squalk code and frequency, and I was cleared to depart. So, my question is, what exactly does the term "hold for release" mean within the context of the situation I've described? What could/should I have done differently; i.e., said "ready to taxi" after hearing "hold for release" the first time, expecting to receive the code and frequency from the tower when ready for takeoff? Thank you very much. Hap Hmm, you don't say what weather conditions were but if it was me, and I couldn't get my clearance on the ground and it was VFR, I would have departed VFR and picked up my IFR in the air. I have heard hold for release at a NON radar tower as I have gotten that at KTUP. Usually that's at the end of the runway where I get hold for release while tower coordinates with Center, but I get my squawk with Ground. If I had what you had going on, I would have asked ground again if it was VFR ghow much longer and if it was unknown, I would depart VFR and pick up the clearance with Center. IFR conditions well, you are stuck between a rock and a hard place. |
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Clearance on hold, hold for release
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, Hap wrote: So, my question is, what exactly does the term "hold for release" mean within the context of the situation I've described? What could/should I have done differently; My suggestion would have been to call the tower back and say, "Uh, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'hold for release' in the context of my current situation. Could you please clarify?" I once sat on the ground twiddling my thumbs for ten minutes because I didn't follow my own advice when it turned out I didn't know what a void time actually was (never having departed IFR from a non-towered airport). And I had passengers which made it doubly embarrassing. rg |
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Clearance on hold, hold for release
On Jun 24, 8:53*am, Hap wrote:
Up until the other day, when I heard "Hold for Release" it was after I had copied, read back and accepted my IFR clearance, squalk code, and had received ground control clearance to taxi to the departure runway. It rarely involved waiting more than 10 minutes before being cleared to taxi, or takeoff. Our airport has a clearance frequency, which I contacted first on the day in question after engine start. The controller said switch to ground frequency to receive my clearance, which I did. I repeated "ready to copy" and received my clearance as filed except for a squalk code and departure frequency. I asked for the code and frequency and was told "Standby, Hold for Release". I figured, OK, there's a slight delay. So I asked again in 10 minutes, as was told in an abrupt manner, "Hold for release", but nothing else. So, after waiting another 30 minutes with the engine running I called again for my squalk code and departure frequency. I was pretty surprised by the response. The *controller said, almost as a reprimand, very angrily, "What are you still waiting there for! You'll get your squalk when you're ready for takeoff!" Then and only then did he issue taxi instructions to the active, which I complied with. After getting into position for the run-up, he said to contact the tower, which I did. Tower asked me how much time I needed to get ready, and I said, "About 5 minutes, but I still need a squalk code and departure frequency." Then, tower said, "standby, hold for release." *After a minute he came back with the squalk code and frequency, and I was cleared to depart. So, my question is, what exactly does the term "hold for release" mean within the context of the situation I've described? What could/should I have done differently; i.e., said "ready to taxi" after hearing "hold for release" the first time, expecting to receive the code and frequency from the tower when ready for takeoff? Thank you very much. Hap When you're on tower freq & ready to go at the hold short line, that's when you'll hear "Hold for release" as that's when the local controller gets on the land line to the approach facility to activate your IFR flight plan and get a release. Sounds like the controller was very unprofessional. Maybe he was a trainee? If you waited 40 minutes that's BS. Normally you get your clearance including squawk code from clearance delivery (or ground if combined) before you taxi. That's been my experience, anyway. |
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Clearance on hold, hold for release
will alibrandi wrote:
When you're on tower freq & ready to go at the hold short line, that's when you'll hear "Hold for release" as that's when the local controller gets on the land line to the approach facility to activate your IFR flight plan and get a release. Sounds like the controller was very unprofessional. Maybe he was a trainee? If you waited 40 minutes that's BS. Normally you get your clearance including squawk code from clearance delivery (or ground if combined) before you taxi. That's been my experience, anyway. That's a lousy procedure. Why wait until the aircraft is ready to takeoff to call for the IFR release? Call for it when the aircraft begins taxiing and the aircraft can be cleared for takeoff when it's ready to go. |
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Clearance on hold, hold for release
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
will alibrandi wrote: When you're on tower freq & ready to go at the hold short line, that's when you'll hear "Hold for release" as that's when the local controller gets on the land line to the approach facility to activate your IFR flight plan and get a release. That's a lousy procedure. Why wait until the aircraft is ready to takeoff to call for the IFR release? Call for it when the aircraft begins taxiing and the aircraft can be cleared for takeoff when it's ready to go. The former is the procedure at my airport (Class D under a Class B). After taxi and run-up, you contact tower with "ready for departure" and they then give you "hold for release" and contact the nearby Tracon to coordinate. Depending on the traffic at nearby airports the delay can be signficant. I've never heard "hold for release" from clearance delivery or ground. I agree that this sounds like a bad procedure, and unclear on the meaning. Maybe the (new) controller just wanted to make it clear that his clearance did not include a release or clearance for takeoff, but that should have been obvious it seems to me. Mike |
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Clearance on hold, hold for release
BTW, it's nice to see an actual aviation discussion here. Maybe usenet is
still alive! Mike |
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