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Is this a pencil-whipped annual?
I'm looking for a good V-tail, 1970-ish vintage. There's a 69 model
nearby. Here is the report from the last airframe annual: "Checked all controls and cables. Performed gear retraction test. Repacked wheel bearings and checked brakes. Installed new air filter element. Installed new ELT battery. ELT inspected in accordance with FAR 91.207(d) and found to operate properly. Replaced instrument air inlet filter. Checked all applicable AD's - see list of aircraft records this date. Complied with the following AD's:.... " This looks like a really short list for a 40 year old airplane. When I annual my Arrow, the list of items is about 4 times that size. |
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Is this a pencil-whipped annual?
Paul kgyy wrote: I'm looking for a good V-tail, 1970-ish vintage. There's a 69 model nearby. Here is the report from the last airframe annual: Get a 64 or 65 S model and you get one that is both faster and has a lower empty weight and therefore a higher useful load. As you look get the empty weights from those you are interested in. Mine has an empty weight of 2030. Go check out this website and it will answer a lot of your questions. I can also answer some if you want. http://lists.kjsl.com/pipermail/beech-owners/ "Checked all controls and cables. Performed gear retraction test. Repacked wheel bearings and checked brakes. Installed new air filter element. Installed new ELT battery. ELT inspected in accordance with FAR 91.207(d) and found to operate properly. Replaced instrument air inlet filter. Checked all applicable AD's - see list of aircraft records this date. Complied with the following AD's:.... " This looks like a really short list for a 40 year old airplane. When I annual my Arrow, the list of items is about 4 times that size. Mine is a little longer but lists 4 or 5 things that were fixed. It lists 4 AD's that were complied with and those are 1.) Magnesium Rudder Horn 2.) Aft Fuselage Bulkhead 3.) Mag Switch 4.) Lube of Uplock Rollers |
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Is this a pencil-whipped annual?
No, what you've got is an annual from somebody who knows what an annual is
supposed to be. Your list of items for the Arrow has items that by the definition of annual are not necessary. I'll bet "change the oil" is on the list. So is "replace/gap/test plugs". Likewise "Lubricate all hinges". Suggest that you read FAR Part 43 Appendix D and see how many of the items on YOUR list are covered in Appendix D. Most of the things on annual lists are preventive maintenance and there is nothing wrong with that. Usually it is far easier to do these little things while the engine is being inspected, compression run, and flight surfaces inspected. However, "Required" and "good idea" are not synonomous. By rights the IA didn't have to repack the bearings, install the air filter, or install the ELT battery. However, the ELT battery did have to be within code date when (s)he did the annual or be in violation of 91.207.c.2 . At one time I was under the impression that packing the wheel bearings was one of the requirements for an annual but unless it is hidden away somewhere, it doesn't appear to be in the current FAR. Jim -- "If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right." --Henry Ford "Paul kgyy" wrote in message oups.com... I'm looking for a good V-tail, 1970-ish vintage. There's a 69 model nearby. Here is the report from the last airframe annual: "Checked all controls and cables. Performed gear retraction test. Repacked wheel bearings and checked brakes. Installed new air filter element. Installed new ELT battery. ELT inspected in accordance with FAR 91.207(d) and found to operate properly. Replaced instrument air inlet filter. Checked all applicable AD's - see list of aircraft records this date. Complied with the following AD's:.... " This looks like a really short list for a 40 year old airplane. When I annual my Arrow, the list of items is about 4 times that size. |
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Is this a pencil-whipped annual?
define pencil whipped.. he could have written everything and done nothing
He referenced the "Checked all applicable AD's - see aircraft records this date. Complied with following ADs..." I presume he listed them out. He could have just as easily said, The Annual was complied with, see work order # and had all of the details on his company work order that was printed by his accounting computer. BT "Paul kgyy" wrote in message oups.com... I'm looking for a good V-tail, 1970-ish vintage. There's a 69 model nearby. Here is the report from the last airframe annual: "Checked all controls and cables. Performed gear retraction test. Repacked wheel bearings and checked brakes. Installed new air filter element. Installed new ELT battery. ELT inspected in accordance with FAR 91.207(d) and found to operate properly. Replaced instrument air inlet filter. Checked all applicable AD's - see list of aircraft records this date. Complied with the following AD's:.... " This looks like a really short list for a 40 year old airplane. When I annual my Arrow, the list of items is about 4 times that size. |
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Is this a pencil-whipped annual?
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:28:14 -0700, Paul kgyy
wrote: I'm looking for a good V-tail, 1970-ish vintage. There's a 69 model nearby. Here is the report from the last airframe annual: "Checked all controls and cables. Performed gear retraction test. Repacked wheel bearings and checked brakes. Installed new air filter element. Installed new ELT battery. ELT inspected in accordance with FAR 91.207(d) and found to operate properly. Replaced instrument air inlet filter. Checked all applicable AD's - see list of aircraft records this date. Complied with the following AD's:.... " This looks like a really short list for a 40 year old airplane. When Mine is a 59 straight tail and the list is usually short like this. My mechanic keeps a complete list of ADs on computer for the Deb with the dates complied. So he only needs hit a few keys and there's the required list if any. The annual itself is relatively short, but he does do a number of PM items not required. Plugs last for years even at over a 100 hours per year. Brakes and tires...likewise. Roger (K8RI) I annual my Arrow, the list of items is about 4 times that size. |
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Is this a pencil-whipped annual?
RST Engineering wrote:
By rights the IA didn't have to repack the bearings, install the air filter, or install the ELT battery. However, the ELT battery did have to be within code date when (s)he did the annual or be in violation of 91.207.c.2 . Of course, all the IA needs to do is note the discrepancy in the airworthiness of the battery (as Jim does well know). Afterwards the owner/pilot can come through and replace that battery and return the aircraft to service. |
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Is this a pencil-whipped annual?
It might just be a well-maintained aircraft that needs very little. Or
the IA may be less than diligent or simply a man of few words. Hard to know. Hire a mechanic you trust to go over it with a fine-toothed comb if you are seriously considering it. David Johnson |
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Is this a pencil-whipped annual?
On Nov 3, 5:33 pm, Dave wrote:
It might just be a well-maintained aircraft that needs very little. Or the IA may be less than diligent or simply a man of few words. Hard to know. Hire a mechanic you trust to go over it with a fine-toothed comb if you are seriously considering it. David Johnson My $12K annual a couple times back amounted to 1 rather small half page, worded almost verbatim to what you posted, even though the work done was extensive (at my orders), though he did list the replaced airworthiness items and the yellow tag numbers... denny |
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Is this a pencil-whipped annual?
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:33:07 -0800, Denny wrote:
On Nov 3, 5:33 pm, Dave wrote: It might just be a well-maintained aircraft that needs very little. Or the IA may be less than diligent or simply a man of few words. Hard to know. Hire a mechanic you trust to go over it with a fine-toothed comb if you are seriously considering it. David Johnson My $12K annual a couple times back amounted to 1 rather small half page, worded almost verbatim to what you posted, even though the work done was extensive (at my orders), though he did list the replaced airworthiness items and the yellow tag numbers... Yah, and you have two of almost everything:-)) Roger (K8RI) denny |
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Is this a pencil-whipped annual?
On Nov 4, 5:33 pm, Denny wrote:
On Nov 3, 5:33 pm, Dave wrote: Generally if well cared for these airplanes need very little. While not legally required, I believe it is good practice to check the gear rigging per the shop manual each year rather than simply see that it goes up and down. Logging things like down lock tensions are evidence that this has been done. I'd also like to see specific notes that the struts and shimmy damper have been properly topped off with hydrolic fluid. Bill Hale, BPPP instructor It might just be a well-maintained aircraft that needs very little. Or the IA may be less than diligent or simply a man of few words. Hard to know. Hire a mechanic you trust to go over it with a fine-toothed comb if you are seriously considering it. David Johnson My $12K annual a couple times back amounted to 1 rather small half page, worded almost verbatim to what you posted, even though the work done was extensive (at my orders), though he did list the replaced airworthiness items and the yellow tag numbers... denny |
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