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Dumb Reg question
I've only ever flown Cessna products and I've come across an area I'm not
sure about. I have my private and I have flow 150/2 and 172's since I starting my training. Now I might partner up with a guy in a Tomahawk next weekend for a tour across the state. I don't have any formal training in any Piper products, will I be allowed to log any stick time? I don't recall exactly how the regs layout type certification. Do I have to be signed off and have logged instruction to be PIC in the Tomahawk? Also if I only had time in a 150, would I have to have instruction in a 152 before I could log PIC? One last question, If I fly simulated instrument with a safety pilot, does the safety pilot have to sign my logbook? Thanks to everyone for your help and response. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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No Dumb Questions.. just hard to interpret Regs..
You are qualified for Airplane Single Engine Land... a Tomahawk is an Airplane Single Engine Land.. any time you have hands on stick.. that is PIC.. as far as the FAA is concerned.. you don't need a specific sign off.. the insurance companies or rental FBO may have other ideas... specific make and model sign offs are insurance company requirements.. If you are under the hood and have a rated pilot acting as a safety pilot, then all you need is his name.. any time you are flying with hands on stick, with or without the hood, you are PIC, any time you are under the hood, he may log PIC (acting pic) even though he may never touch the stick. BT "Slick" wrote in message ... I've only ever flown Cessna products and I've come across an area I'm not sure about. I have my private and I have flow 150/2 and 172's since I starting my training. Now I might partner up with a guy in a Tomahawk next weekend for a tour across the state. I don't have any formal training in any Piper products, will I be allowed to log any stick time? I don't recall exactly how the regs layout type certification. Do I have to be signed off and have logged instruction to be PIC in the Tomahawk? Also if I only had time in a 150, would I have to have instruction in a 152 before I could log PIC? One last question, If I fly simulated instrument with a safety pilot, does the safety pilot have to sign my logbook? Thanks to everyone for your help and response. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Thank you very much.
"BTIZ" wrote in message news:Z4Oce.113$fI.16@fed1read05... No Dumb Questions.. just hard to interpret Regs.. You are qualified for Airplane Single Engine Land... a Tomahawk is an Airplane Single Engine Land.. any time you have hands on stick.. that is PIC.. as far as the FAA is concerned.. you don't need a specific sign off.. the insurance companies or rental FBO may have other ideas... specific make and model sign offs are insurance company requirements.. If you are under the hood and have a rated pilot acting as a safety pilot, then all you need is his name.. any time you are flying with hands on stick, with or without the hood, you are PIC, any time you are under the hood, he may log PIC (acting pic) even though he may never touch the stick. BT "Slick" wrote in message ... I've only ever flown Cessna products and I've come across an area I'm not sure about. I have my private and I have flow 150/2 and 172's since I starting my training. Now I might partner up with a guy in a Tomahawk next weekend for a tour across the state. I don't have any formal training in any Piper products, will I be allowed to log any stick time? I don't recall exactly how the regs layout type certification. Do I have to be signed off and have logged instruction to be PIC in the Tomahawk? Also if I only had time in a 150, would I have to have instruction in a 152 before I could log PIC? One last question, If I fly simulated instrument with a safety pilot, does the safety pilot have to sign my logbook? Thanks to everyone for your help and response. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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I count six errors in this answer. Can anybody count more?
Jim "BTIZ" wrote in message news:Z4Oce.113$fI.16@fed1read05... No Dumb Questions.. just hard to interpret Regs.. You are qualified for Airplane Single Engine Land... a Tomahawk is an Airplane Single Engine Land.. any time you have hands on stick.. that is PIC.. as far as the FAA is concerned.. you don't need a specific sign off.. the insurance companies or rental FBO may have other ideas... specific make and model sign offs are insurance company requirements.. If you are under the hood and have a rated pilot acting as a safety pilot, then all you need is his name.. any time you are flying with hands on stick, with or without the hood, you are PIC, any time you are under the hood, he may log PIC (acting pic) even though he may never touch the stick. BT |
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"RST Engineering" wrote in message
... I count six errors in this answer. Can anybody count more? What? Too chicken to actually post what you think are the errors, in fear someone might reply to your post, writing "I count seven errors in this answer. Can anybody count more?" Chicken. If you think he got something wrong, say what you think it is. You're acting like a politician already. |
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any time you are flying with hands on stick, with or without the hood, you
are PIC, any time you are under the hood, he may log PIC (acting pic) even though he may never touch the stick. Not quite. You -are- PIC when you are the final authority on the conduct of the flight (and are so qualified). You -may- -log- PIC if you are appropriately rated and are sole manipulator (your hands unaided on the stick). Yes, two people can -log- PIC, but only one can -be- PIC. Jose -- Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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ok.. so I left the word "log" out
"Jose" wrote in message m... any time you are flying with hands on stick, with or without the hood, you are PIC, any time you are under the hood, he may log PIC (acting pic) even though he may never touch the stick. Not quite. You -are- PIC when you are the final authority on the conduct of the flight (and are so qualified). You -may- -log- PIC if you are appropriately rated and are sole manipulator (your hands unaided on the stick). Yes, two people can -log- PIC, but only one can -be- PIC. Jose -- Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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You left out and inserted a potful more that was absolutel garbage.
Jim "BTIZ" wrote in message news:wZTce.164$fI.40@fed1read05... ok.. so I left the word "log" out |
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That doesn't happen to be true. Care to quote your FAR reference for two
people logging PIC at the same time? Jim You -are- PIC when you are the final authority on the conduct of the flight (and are so qualified). You -may- -log- PIC if you are appropriately rated and are sole manipulator (your hands unaided on the stick). Yes, two people can -log- PIC, but only one can -be- PIC. |
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RST Engineering wrote:
That doesn't happen to be true. Care to quote your FAR reference for two people logging PIC at the same time? There's an article on the AOPA web site (accessible to members only, I believe) that covers this topic: http://www.aopa.org/members/files/topics/pic.html FAR 61.51(e) describes who can log PIC time. In the case of a simulated instrument flight, both the pilot under-the-hood (sole manipulator of the controls) and the safety pilot (required crewmember on a flight requiring more than one pilot, such as a simulated instrument flight) can log PIC at the same time. Charles. -N8385U |
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