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Descending from MEA to land under VFR
In the regulations it says that you can land at an airport without an
IAP if you descend from the MEA and land under VFR, but if there is a MOCA, can you use that instead? |
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Descending from MEA to land under VFR
kevmor wrote:
In the regulations it says that you can land at an airport without an IAP if you descend from the MEA and land under VFR, but if there is a MOCA, can you use that instead? Regulation or policy? If the MOCA is within 22 miles of the VOR sure you can use it. Or, if the center will provide the service you can use their MIA, if lowwer. If the MOCA is not within 22 miles of the VOR but you have IFR-certified GPS, a good case can be made you can use the MOCA regardless. |
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Descending from MEA to land under VFR
On 03/01/07 17:53, Sam Spade wrote:
kevmor wrote: In the regulations it says that you can land at an airport without an IAP if you descend from the MEA and land under VFR, but if there is a MOCA, can you use that instead? Regulation or policy? If the MOCA is within 22 miles of the VOR sure you can use it. Or, if the center will provide the service you can use their MIA, if lowwer. If the MOCA is not within 22 miles of the VOR but you have IFR-certified GPS, a good case can be made you can use the MOCA regardless. Of course, if you're in VMC you can cancel IFR and proceed VFR... -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA |
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Descending from MEA to land under VFR
Mark Hansen wrote:
On 03/01/07 17:53, Sam Spade wrote: kevmor wrote: In the regulations it says that you can land at an airport without an IAP if you descend from the MEA and land under VFR, but if there is a MOCA, can you use that instead? Regulation or policy? If the MOCA is within 22 miles of the VOR sure you can use it. Or, if the center will provide the service you can use their MIA, if lowwer. If the MOCA is not within 22 miles of the VOR but you have IFR-certified GPS, a good case can be made you can use the MOCA regardless. Of course, if you're in VMC you can cancel IFR and proceed VFR... That's too easy. ;-) |
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Descending from MEA to land under VFR
In the regulations it says that you can land at an airport without an
IAP if you descend from the MEA and land under VFR, but if there is a MOCA, can you use that instead? Which regulation do you mean? The only place I see this in Part 91 is 91.169(c)(2), which sets requirements for the alternate airport. If weather allows a descent and landing under basic VFR from the MEA, then you can use an alternate airport that has no IAP. I don't see any provision to substitute the MOCA for this. However, this is rarely an issue, because if the weather is so good, you probably won't need to file an alternate in the first place. The requirements for conducting a visual approach are not listed explicitly in Part 91, but are in the AIM, 5-4-22. There's nothing about the MEA, just that you must: - be able to proceed visually and clear of clouds to the airport - have in sight either the airport or traffic to follow - have destination weather at least 1000 foot ceiling and 3 miles vis. (weather reporting not required if there is "reasonable assurance" that these are met. So if you're at the MOCA, can see the airport, and weather is better than 1000/3, then yes, you should be able to get a visual approach. Often you'll be at the sector's minimum vectoring altitude, below the published MEA or MOCA. Barry |
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Descending from MEA to land under VFR
In the regulations it says that you can land at an airport without an
IAP if you descend from the MEA and land under VFR, but if there is a MOCA, can you use that instead? One more point on this. Some instrument-rated pilots don't realize that you can always file IFR to an airport that has no IAP - you just have to file an alternate, regardless of the weather (see FAR 91.167(b)(1)). If the weather there is (and is forecast to remain) good VFR, then your alternate can be any nearby little airport that also has no IAP. A lot of times it's useful to file IFR if the weather's marginal and you want to go to a place that has no IAP. Controllers might have a creative way of getting you in. Once (before 9/11) I flew into Washington Executive (W32), which as I remember at the time had no IAP, or at least not one for which I was equipped. The controller asked if I wanted to do the ILS for Andrews. Apparently it was common practice there in marginal weather for people to descend on the ILS, get below the clouds, then scud run over to Executive, only about 3 miles away. In my case, the weather was good enough that I didn't have to do this. Barry |
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Descending from MEA to land under VFR
On Mar 1, 6:53 pm, "kevmor" wrote:
In the regulations it says that you can land at an airport without an IAP if you descend from the MEA and land under VFR, but if there is a MOCA, can you use that instead? What regulation are you referring to? |
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There's one gotcha to cancelling IFR when below the clouds - if you
don't have the proper VFR cloud clearances (500 feet in some airspaces) then you can't legally cancel IFR. Jose -- Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully understands this holds the world in his hands. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Descending from MEA to land under VFR
I'm not sure of the regulation, I've just read it in several places
studying for the instrument oral... What regulation are you referring to? |
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Descending from MEA to land under VFR
On Mar 2, 7:54 pm, "kevmor" wrote:
In the regulations it says that you can land at an airport without an IAP if you descend from the MEA and land under VFR, but if there is a MOCA, can you use that instead? What regulation are you referring to? I'm not sure of the regulation, I've just read it in several places studying for the instrument oral... Are you thinking about 91.169 (c) (2), where it states that if your alternate airport does not have an IAP, the ceiling and visibility have to allow from a descent from MEA approach and landing under basic VFR in order to be a valid alternate? It is the only place in the regs where I remember seeing a phrase like that.... |
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