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Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane
Hatunen writes:
Your computer chair bounces? No, but the view out the window and the instruments tell me all that I need to know. Vision is the most important sense in flying by far. ... which makes it clear I am talking about PC simulators. PC simulators do a good job, too. You've never flown a plane. I have. Thank you for proving my point. The physical sensations can be important when they occur, as they can distract from clear thinking. Yes, but much of their effect is a function of personality as well. A stall simulated on a PC can not ever accurately convey the, um, thrill, of a full stall (especially your first full stall as a student pilot) as you keep pulling back on the yoke/joystick pointing the noise higher and higher as the stall warning screams and then, WHAM!, the nose of the plane is pointed downward, seemingly straight down at the ground, gaining speed rapidly. Yes, I know. But I'm not a thrillseeker, and I don't need thrills to learn how to fly. The first time I did tht for my isntructor it scared the crap out of me. Did you know what to expect? |
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Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane
Hatunen writes:
Well, my instructor, who insisted on teaching spins to me although no longer required for certification said there weren't any more real pilots. It's a judgment call. Spin practice is no longer required because more pilots were dying from spins during training than were dying from spins during flight thereafter. The cure was worse than the disease. So the emphasis was shifted to avoiding spins, rather than recovering from them, at least for PPLs. I guess you don't have to know how to recover from a spin if you don't spin. Exactly. It's safer to practice avoiding spins, but to only learn the theory of spin recovery. Like an add-on dual monitor? No. Look up TrackIR. I fail to see how a PC can realistically give the sensation of an instrument panel over two feet across. See above. Unless your computer chair can bounce up and down and lean left and right, it's not the same. As I've said, a lot of private pilots seem to give physical sensations priority over everything else. But there's a lot more to flying than a roller-coaster ride. I don't care much for the physical sensations myself, although takeoff and landing are kind of pleasant if they are smooth. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: True, and in most cases, if the aircraft are anywhere near similar, a reading of the aircraft manual will suffice for that. Why would reading the manual be sufficient, but simulation not? There you go making stuff up again and misrepresenting what people have said. What I said was "..if the aircraft are anywhere near similar, a reading of the aircraft manual will suffice for that." Where did I say anything about simulators? But more to the point that you tried to diverge to, if reading the manual is sufficient, why would you then need a simulator of any kind? And I've actually done that, have you? Yes, I have. Are you deliberately lying or are you in another of your delusional states? You have said time and again you have never flown any airplane, much less a different model after a read of the manual for the new airplane. And before you go off on some other tangent about how safe it is to fly an aircraft one has never flown before based only on a read of the manual, in both cases there was an instructor aboard and in both cases all the instructor did was ask me to demonstrate things. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane
Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: Sure it does, including the feeling of falling when the stall breaks and the increased G load as you pull out. It doesn't simulate motion. Motion is only one small part of flying. The G changes are a big part of a stall and something one needs to learn to essentially ignore which can only be done by actually doing it. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane
In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Hatunen writes: Your computer chair bounces? No, but the view out the window and the instruments tell me all that I need to know. Vision is the most important sense in flying by far. Delusional babble. It is important to learn how to handle ALL the sensory inputs, especially the ones that tend to cause you to redo your breakfast. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane
In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Hatunen writes: Well, my instructor, who insisted on teaching spins to me although no longer required for certification said there weren't any more real pilots. It's a judgment call. Spin practice is no longer required Wrong. Spins are not required for private and below. snip delusional babble about small, flat screens looking just like a real airplane panel -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane
Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: The view looks like a flat screen and there is no peripherial view. Look up TrackIR. I have. It is still a flat screen and there is no peripherial view. To say otherwise is a lie or a delusion. The physical sensations of a downdraft are real in real airplanes and you have to learn to deal with them to fly real airplanes. That's about 0.000001% of what you have to learn to deal with to fly airplanes, and a great deal of what you have to learn (the great majority, in fact) has nothing to do with physical sensations. It is a lot more than 0.000001% of what you have to learn and you have to learn it to fly real airplanes. snip delusional babble about how realistic small, flat screes with no peripheral view are -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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