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New $500 FAA ADS-B Rebate ... some motorgliders/sustainers qualify



 
 
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Old October 12th 18, 06:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Darryl Ramm
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Default New $500 FAA ADS-B Rebate ... some motorgliders/sustainers qualify

It's back.... https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/rebate

Hopefully may be time for some folks doing ADS-B Out installs over this winter break to get a rebate. Only applies to 2020 Complaint installs (so not TABS/SIL=1).

And the rules make clear...

Type Aircraft = ‘Fixed wing single engine’ or ‘Glider’; AND
Type Engine = ‘Reciprocating’ OR ‘4 Cycle’ OR ‘2 Cycle’

So only applies to non-jet sustainers and motorgliders.

I'm mostly curious how many folks are willing to deal with all the extra effort for $500.

It's of course a silly way of doing this, I would have much preferred to see a program that targeted all aircraft including gliders, maybe targeting those based or flown around busy traffic areas.
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Old October 12th 18, 07:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
JS[_5_]
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Default New $500 FAA ADS-B Rebate ... some motorgliders/sustainers qualify

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 10:27:09 AM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
It's back.... https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/rebate

Hopefully may be time for some folks doing ADS-B Out installs over this winter break to get a rebate. Only applies to 2020 Complaint installs (so not TABS/SIL=1).

And the rules make clear...

Type Aircraft = ‘Fixed wing single engine’ or ‘Glider’; AND
Type Engine = ‘Reciprocating’ OR ‘4 Cycle’ OR ‘2 Cycle’

So only applies to non-jet sustainers and motorgliders.

I'm mostly curious how many folks are willing to deal with all the extra effort for $500.

It's of course a silly way of doing this, I would have much preferred to see a program that targeted all aircraft including gliders, maybe targeting those based or flown around busy traffic areas.


To keep up the cheapskate glider pilot stereotype, I'm installing a BMW 4-stroke self-launch kit in the 29 so I can get a $500 rebate on ADS-B.
Jim
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Old October 12th 18, 07:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Darryl Ramm
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Default New $500 FAA ADS-B Rebate ... some motorgliders/sustainers qualify


OK well I goofed there. It applies to non-jet and non-electric motorgliders and sustainers.

Sorry did not mean to leave off the electric. Thanks to Dave Nadler for the correction.


Darryl

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 10:27:09 AM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
It's back.... https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/rebate

Hopefully may be time for some folks doing ADS-B Out installs over this winter break to get a rebate. Only applies to 2020 Complaint installs (so not TABS/SIL=1).

And the rules make clear...

Type Aircraft = ‘Fixed wing single engine’ or ‘Glider’; AND
Type Engine = ‘Reciprocating’ OR ‘4 Cycle’ OR ‘2 Cycle’

So only applies to non-jet sustainers and motorgliders.

I'm mostly curious how many folks are willing to deal with all the extra effort for $500.

It's of course a silly way of doing this, I would have much preferred to see a program that targeted all aircraft including gliders, maybe targeting those based or flown around busy traffic areas.


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Old October 12th 18, 07:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
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Default New $500 FAA ADS-B Rebate ... some motorgliders/sustainers qualify

Interesting update, I believe the old rebate excluded any aircraft with "no electrical system (gliders, Cubs, etc.)".
So, no gliders were included, maybe even motorgliders/self launchers/sustainers.
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Old October 12th 18, 08:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Default New $500 FAA ADS-B Rebate ... some motorgliders/sustainersqualify

Well...* My Stemme has an electrical system.* I'm taking a look.

My concern is about getting a Supplemental Type Certificate (STC) for
the installation.* My past research, surely out of date by now, named a
single avionics shop as Trig's representative for the TT22/TN70
combination.* When I last looked there was no mention of the Stemme on
their vast list of acceptable aircraft.* Maybe that's now changed or
maybe my mechanic can do a simple field install. We'll see...

On 10/12/2018 12:32 PM, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
Interesting update, I believe the old rebate excluded any aircraft with "no electrical system (gliders, Cubs, etc.)".
So, no gliders were included, maybe even motorgliders/self launchers/sustainers.


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Old October 12th 18, 08:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Darryl Ramm
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Default New $500 FAA ADS-B Rebate ... some motorgliders/sustainers qualify

Dan

As mentioned in a recent email. Any of the glider Trig resellers should be able to get you/your A&P the required STC for the TN70+TT22 for install with your or any other glider. Wings and Wheels and I and others worked with Pereguine (the STC holder) and Trig to make sure that STC would be available to glider installers. Go through your favorite Trig glider dealers and if you have problems with the STC let me know. Pereguine are great folks.

Be careful: If you walk into a random GA avionics shop who is not a Trig approved installer that may (correctly) tell you they cannot get that STC.
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Old October 12th 18, 08:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Default New $500 FAA ADS-B Rebate ... some motorgliders/sustainersqualify

Thanks Darryl,

I just got back from the Peregrine website and found no reference to
Stemme in their AML.* Since I bought my TT22 from Paul Remde, I've
contacted him for help.* I also emailed Peregrine.

Dan

On 10/12/2018 1:42 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Dan

As mentioned in a recent email. Any of the glider Trig resellers should be able to get you/your A&P the required STC for the TN70+TT22 for install with your or any other glider. Wings and Wheels and I and others worked with Pereguine (the STC holder) and Trig to make sure that STC would be available to glider installers. Go through your favorite Trig glider dealers and if you have problems with the STC let me know. Pereguine are great folks.

Be careful: If you walk into a random GA avionics shop who is not a Trig approved installer that may (correctly) tell you they cannot get that STC.


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Old October 12th 18, 09:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Darryl Ramm
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Default New $500 FAA ADS-B Rebate ... some motorgliders/sustainers qualify

Uh let’s kill that one. I have mentioned this lots before but it is confusing. Your Stemme does *not* need to be on the STC AML. Your A&P should not be using this STC as basis for a major modification. They sould only using this as justification for the pairing of the TT22 and TN70. Your installer should refer to FAA AFS-360-2017-1, INSTALLATION OF ADS-B OUT EQUIPMENT. And do just what is required there, and no more. https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipads...r(9-25-17).pdf

Please have your A&P/avionics shop talk to me if they have questions about this.

Darryl
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Old October 13th 18, 06:16 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default New $500 FAA ADS-B Rebate ... some motorgliders/sustainers qualify

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 11:07:26 AM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
OK well I goofed there. It applies to non-jet and non-electric motorgliders and sustainers.

Sorry did not mean to leave off the electric. Thanks to Dave Nadler for the correction.


Darryl

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 10:27:09 AM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
It's back.... https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/rebate

Hopefully may be time for some folks doing ADS-B Out installs over this winter break to get a rebate. Only applies to 2020 Complaint installs (so not TABS/SIL=1).

And the rules make clear...

Type Aircraft = ‘Fixed wing single engine’ or ‘Glider’; AND
Type Engine = ‘Reciprocating’ OR ‘4 Cycle’ OR ‘2 Cycle’

So only applies to non-jet sustainers and motorgliders.

I'm mostly curious how many folks are willing to deal with all the extra effort for $500.

It's of course a silly way of doing this, I would have much preferred to see a program that targeted all aircraft including gliders, maybe targeting those based or flown around busy traffic areas.


It also doesn't apply to rotary-powered aircraft like Schleichers. It is easier to say that it DOES apply to piston-powered aircraft, so Solo equipped MGs are covered. Also, the aircraft must have been registered prior to 1/1/16.

Tom
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Old October 13th 18, 06:55 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Darryl Ramm
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Default New $500 FAA ADS-B Rebate ... some motorgliders/sustainers qualify

Yes! But wait... it's even sillier.... it depends. Some Schleicher motorglider engines are listed as "rotary" and some as "reciprocating", depends on what engine manufacturer they are keyed in under, for basically the identical engine. I should have looked more carefully, I had checked "Mid-West" and that returned "reciprocating".

It would have been great if the SSA was looking at this rebate program.

I am going to try to ask folks in the FAA about it.

---

There is interesting stuff in the FAA registration database. Like what is going on he https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinq...umbertxt=794FM :-0


Darryl

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 10:16:22 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 11:07:26 AM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
OK well I goofed there. It applies to non-jet and non-electric motorgliders and sustainers.

Sorry did not mean to leave off the electric. Thanks to Dave Nadler for the correction.


Darryl

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 10:27:09 AM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
It's back.... https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/rebate

Hopefully may be time for some folks doing ADS-B Out installs over this winter break to get a rebate. Only applies to 2020 Complaint installs (so not TABS/SIL=1).

And the rules make clear...

Type Aircraft = ‘Fixed wing single engine’ or ‘Glider’; AND
Type Engine = ‘Reciprocating’ OR ‘4 Cycle’ OR ‘2 Cycle’

So only applies to non-jet sustainers and motorgliders.

I'm mostly curious how many folks are willing to deal with all the extra effort for $500.

It's of course a silly way of doing this, I would have much preferred to see a program that targeted all aircraft including gliders, maybe targeting those based or flown around busy traffic areas.


It also doesn't apply to rotary-powered aircraft like Schleichers. It is easier to say that it DOES apply to piston-powered aircraft, so Solo equipped MGs are covered. Also, the aircraft must have been registered prior to 1/1/16.

Tom

 




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