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Rotax 912 questions
Hi all. I have recently completed my airplane and have begun taxi testing. For an engine I chose the Rotax 912. I purchased the engine from a Trade-A-Plane ad where it was advertised as being "new in the box". When I inspected the engine prior to buying it did appear to be brand new and was still bolted into the shipping container. I bought the engine in 1999 and it has not been run until recently. Not only that, but the serial numbers indicate that the engine was 5 years old in 1999. The age of the engine probably does not matter, however, I mention it only as background information. I have been happy for the most part with the engine. But there are some odd things about it. I have no experience with 912's so I thought I'd seek some wisdom from others. First, the engine has an incredible amount of gearbox chatter at around 1600 all the way to about 1950 RPM. It's swinging a large 72" wood prop. I have set the idle to 2000 RPM in an effort to get out of the gearbox chatter zone, but with a 72" prop that still results in quite a bit of thrust. In other words, when I chop the power on landing (when I get to that point) I'll still have a bit of power pulling me along. Is that normal? Also, I know the 2 stroke Rotax's are notorious for gearbox chatter, but you don't hear as much about that from the 912. Is my engine behaving normally? What are others doing to deal with the chatter? The other unusual thing about the engine is that it is very cold natured. It takes a very long time for the water temp to come up. I've even gotten to the point of covering up half the radiator with a piece of cardboard until the temperature comes up. I'm starting to suspect that perhaps I have a thermostat that is stuck open (perhaps due to the prolonged time in storage). Is that reasonable or is that normal behavior for the 912 ? Thank you in advance for any help or advice you can offer. - R. Parsons |
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"RPar" wrote in message The other unusual thing about the engine is that it is very cold natured. It takes a very long time for the water temp to come up. I've even gotten to the point of covering up half the radiator with a piece of cardboard until the temperature comes up. I'm starting to suspect that perhaps I have a thermostat that is stuck open (perhaps due to the prolonged time in storage). Is that reasonable or is that normal behavior for the 912 ? If the temperature comes up to hot quicker with the radiator part covered, you have a stuck thermostat. For the temperature to get stabilized, where you don't see it rising and dropping a couple of degrees as the thermostat opens and closes, is another story. (hot soak) The radiator should not even feel warm, until the engine temperature is almost up to normal. Is it doing that? The thermostat is the cheapest thing in a cooling system, also the quickest to go bad. I would not even consider running an engine that old without replacing it. -- Jim in NC |
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You are asking a news group instead of an authority such as Lockwood, a
certified Rotax repair station? http://www.lockwood-aviation.com/ OK here goes: A five (or ten!) year old 912 certainly should have been gone through before installing it on your airframe. It will need new rubber seals on the water pump as a minimum. The gear box on the 912 80 HP (black valve covers) has been very good. Not true with the 912S 100 HP engine (with the green valve cover). Rotax has added a slipper clutch and a higher torque starter for the 912S. Your problem may be related to the prop. Does it meet the inertia spec for the Rotax? Too high an inertia will eat your gear box. Have you read the installation manual at www.rotax-owner.com and signed up for service bulletins? |
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You are asking a news group instead of an authority such as Lockwood, a
certified Rotax repair station? http://www.lockwood-aviation.c=ADom/ OK here goes: A five (or ten!) year old 912 certainly should have been gone through before installing it on your airframe. It will need new rubber seals on the water pump as a minimum. The gear box on the 912 80 HP (black valve covers) has been very good. Not true with the 912S 100 HP engine (with the green valve cover). Rotax has added a slipper clutch and a higher torque starter for the 912S. Your problem may be related to the prop. Does it meet the inertia spec for the Rotax? Too high an inertia will eat your gear box. Have you read the installation manual at www.rotax-owner.com and signed up for service bulletins? |
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I've talked to Lockwood about the chatter. They did not seem to think
it was out of the ordinary. I would feel better if I had some input from people running them though. I'll have to check the inertia spec. It was professionally made for the 912 so I assume that it is correct, but it definitely never hurts to check. I did read the installation manual and yes I do get the bulletins. My 912 had to have the oil pump drive pin and new stator assembly installed ($$$). This was performed, along with a complete inspection, prior to installation and first start-up. Thanks for your input. - RP You are asking a news group instead of an authority such as Lockwood, a certified Rotax repair station? http://www.lockwood-aviation.c=AD=ADom/ OK here goes: A five (or ten!) year old 912 certainly should have been gone through before installing it on your airframe. It will need new rubber seals on the water pump as a minimum. The gear box on the 912 80 HP (black valve covers) has been very good. Not true with the 912S 100 HP engine (with the green valve cover). Rotax has added a slipper clutch and a higher torque starter for the 912S. Your problem may be related to the prop. Does it meet the inertia spec for the Rotax? Too high an inertia will eat your gear box. Have you read the installation manual at www.rotax-owner.com and signed up for service bulletins? |
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G'day
Where is the thermostat located in the Rotax cooling system? Regards Ian If the temperature comes up to hot quicker with the radiator part covered, you have a stuck thermostat. For the temperature to get stabilized, where you don't see it rising and dropping a couple of degrees as the thermostat opens and closes, is another story. (hot soak) The radiator should not even feel warm, until the engine temperature is almost up to normal. Is it doing that? The thermostat is the cheapest thing in a cooling system, also the quickest to go bad. I would not even consider running an engine that old without replacing it. -- Jim in NC |
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It's not. Upon reviewing the engine diagrams it appears that the 912
has no thermostat at all. - Rob |
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RPar a écrit :
It's not. Upon reviewing the engine diagrams it appears that the 912 has no thermostat at all. - Rob Hi Rob and all, Yes there is no thermostat inside the 912. I'm a bit surprised as you should have studied the installation diagrams when installing your engine. Without knowing which type of aircraft, radiators, and details of layout it is difficult to give an advice. Regards, Gilles Thesee Rotax 914 MCR 4S |
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"GTH" wrote Yes there is no thermostat inside the 912. Oh, that's just grand. More excellent Rotax engineering. I had almost convinced myself that the 912 and 914 migt be a decent enough engine, (to trust you life on) compared to the other Rotax products. I'm rapidly changing my mind. I'll bet that a thermostat could be reversed engineered onto it. -- Jim in NC |
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No, I did not think to specifically look for a thermostat in the
cooling system when I did the installation (so, following the standard unwritten rules of Usenet, everyone is now free to insult my intelligence, question my judgment, and/or call my mother's virtue into question. lol.) In any event, I have discussed the situation with Lockwood and they assure me that nothing is out of the ordinary with the temp. They said that they barely get 120 deg of water temp on their Air Cams. The gentleman I spoke to did warn me to make sure that the minimum oil temp was being maintained. He also mentioned that the chatter may very well be a result of carbs that are out of sync. That was on my "to-do" list already so I'm hopeful that syncing the carbs will take care of the matter. |
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