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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
On Dec 8, 12:40*pm, Bob Whelan wrote:
Mike the Strike wrote: Several of our members have recently been surveying possible landing strips for our contest database and Steve Koerner came across an old crashed glider in the Arizona desert..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/3676667...7622824263137/ Registration was N71JR. V-tail, large flaps, no spoilers. *Our best guess so far is some sort of HP, but the glider construction seems to have been more composite than aluminum, so this may be off-base. Suggestions and speculation welcome! Mike Assuming this isn't a digital hoax, the only reasonable conclusion is this was a drug smuggling prototype on a test run. These guys are no dummies...hence the use of an abandoned N-number, big flaps for obstructed-approach, short-field landings, outsized nose vent for hot-country cooling/quick payload dispersal on the off-chance of interception, and the choice of landing spot. That noted, I have no clue what this may once have been. If only planes could talk... Intriguing find! Bob W. Nothing to add except the Creosote (Grease Wood) bushes that appear to have grown up around it are extremely slow growing. They are considered by some to be the oldest living things on the planet. It's easy to believe it's been there over 40 years. In the early 1960's there were only a few hundred gliders in the US. It should be possible to find a historical reference to it. |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
I'd say its a Jr. College shop project by the FAA info; Berry C. Vun
Cannon registered it on 8/15/89 and listed it as from the Jr. College District of Metro KSC, Mo. 3200 Broadway, Kansas City , Mo, 64111 How about a phone call from some of our KC readers? Bet that name and date could jog some memories. JJ bildan wrote: On Dec 8, 12:40*pm, Bob Whelan wrote: Mike the Strike wrote: Several of our members have recently been surveying possible landing strips for our contest database and Steve Koerner came across an old crashed glider in the Arizona desert..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/3676667...7622824263137/ Registration was N71JR. V-tail, large flaps, no spoilers. *Our best guess so far is some sort of HP, but the glider construction seems to have been more composite than aluminum, so this may be off-base. Suggestions and speculation welcome! Mike Assuming this isn't a digital hoax, the only reasonable conclusion is this was a drug smuggling prototype on a test run. These guys are no dummies...hence the use of an abandoned N-number, big flaps for obstructed-approach, short-field landings, outsized nose vent for hot-country cooling/quick payload dispersal on the off-chance of interception, and the choice of landing spot. That noted, I have no clue what this may once have been. If only planes could talk... Intriguing find! Bob W. Nothing to add except the Creosote (Grease Wood) bushes that appear to have grown up around it are extremely slow growing. They are considered by some to be the oldest living things on the planet. It's easy to believe it's been there over 40 years. In the early 1960's there were only a few hundred gliders in the US. It should be possible to find a historical reference to it. |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
On Dec 8, 2:30*pm, JJ Sinclair wrote:
I'd say its a Jr. College shop project by the FAA info; Berry C. Vun Cannon registered it on 8/15/89 and listed it as from the Jr. College District of Metro KSC, Mo. 3200 Broadway, Kansas City , Mo, 64111 How about a phone call from some of our KC readers? Bet that name and date could jog some memories. JJ JJ: We believe it's much older than 1990's vintage and are estimating 1960's to 70's - before the current FAA database. It's likely a homebrew with some HP similarities, which should fix the time period. It was found at a desert strip about 16 miles southwest of Estrella Sailport, so it's entirely possible that it could have launched from there. Mike Mike |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
On Dec 7, 5:48*pm, Mike the Strike wrote:
Several of our members have recently been surveying possible landing strips for our contest database and Steve Koerner came across an old crashed glider in the Arizona desert..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/3676667...7622824263137/ Registration was N71JR. V-tail, large flaps, no spoilers. *Our best guess so far is some sort of HP, but the glider construction seems to have been more composite than aluminum, so this may be off-base. Suggestions and speculation welcome! Mike |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
Come on guys, it's got to be an Edelweiss!
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/...0Edelweiss.jpg Mike Westbrook |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
I does look somewhat like the Edelweiss, except that the Edelweiss was
a standard class, no flaps. Perhaps this was an alien (i.e. Roswell type) modification. David Martin |
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The Winner! Siren Edelweiss (was Mystery of crashed glider inArizona)
And now, the winner of the $2 cigar: Junior Team 2007 wrote: Come on guys, it's got to be an Edelweiss! http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/...0Edelweiss.jpg Mike Westbrook For this standard class siren c-30S Edelweiss, first product 1963: 65 built... Brian W |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
On Dec 8, 4:50*pm, David wrote:
I does look somewhat like the Edelweiss, except that the Edelweiss was a standard class, no flaps. *Perhaps this was an alien (i.e. Roswell type) modification. David Martin Also the Edelweiss was a mostly wood ship, except for the ailerons. My first guess was the Edelweiss also, then I saw the flaps and notieced that it was not shredded wood on the wings, but paint and filler. |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
On Dec 8, 5:18*pm, Mike wrote:
On Dec 8, 4:50*pm, David wrote: I does look somewhat like the Edelweiss, except that the Edelweiss was a standard class, no flaps. *Perhaps this was an alien (i.e. Roswell type) modification. David Martin Also the Edelweiss was a mostly wood ship, except for the ailerons. My first guess was the Edelweiss also, then I saw the flaps and notieced that it was not shredded wood on the wings, but paint and filler. The C34 I believe had flaps http://www.flickr.com/photos/10983301@N06/2954270888/ |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
On Dec 8, 3:22*pm, Junior Team 2007
wrote: Come on guys, it's got to be an Edelweiss! http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/...0Edelweiss.jpg Mike Westbrook I don't think it is an Edelweiss, flaps and no top surface spoilers being one issue as others have mentioned. But if it is French, I will be outraged and will demand to know what the SSA is doing about its 3,000 hour inspection! Darryl |
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