Oshkosh gate admission on Sunday 24th?

Jay Honeck wrote:

-- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week
can't peddle a bike to save our feet?

You can peddle it all you want -- just don't try to pedal it. :-)

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

What are the reasons that bikes aren't allowed on the grounds? We've got
golf carts trying to kill us all day long, 7-car-trams threatening to run up
our heels, parents pulling wagons or pushing strollers, and "courtesy cars"
driving every which way -- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week
can't peddle a bike to save our feet?

Jay,

I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is
well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite
the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s
for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the
road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure
during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to
weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them.

David Odum - email: David at AirplaneZone dot com

David Odum wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote:


What are the reasons that bikes aren't allowed on the grounds? We've got
golf carts trying to kill us all day long, 7-car-trams threatening to run up
our heels, parents pulling wagons or pushing strollers, and "courtesy cars"
driving every which way -- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week
can't peddle a bike to save our feet?


Jay,

I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is
well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite
the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s
for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the
road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure
during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to
weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them.

David Odum - email: David at AirplaneZone dot com



I can't believe it would be that hard to set up a bike path or two. For
that matter, they should separate the golf carts and other conveyances
from the foot traffic. This isn't rocket science to figure out and not
that hard to implement.


Matt

-- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week can't peddle a bike
to save our feet?

You can peddle it all you want -- just don't try to pedal it. :-)

Danged stupid chell-specker...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is
well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite
the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s
for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the
road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure
during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to
weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them.

Well, I hear you. But I sure wish there were some bike paths that we could
use so that getting from my tent in the North 40 to the ultralight area in
the South 40 wasn't a 30-minute (or more) hike.

By the end of the week, none of us can bear the thought of walking down that
far anymore, so we end up skipping huge portions of the show that I'd really
like to see in greater detail.

It seems like a couple of "bikes/scooters only" paths, with parking areas at
either end, would do the trick?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"David Odum" MyFirstName@AirplaneZone wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

What are the reasons that bikes aren't allowed on the grounds? We've
got
golf carts trying to kill us all day long, 7-car-trams threatening to run
up
our heels, parents pulling wagons or pushing strollers, and "courtesy
cars"
driving every which way -- but those of us who live in the North 40 all
week
can't peddle a bike to save our feet?

Jay,

I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is
well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite
the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s
for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the
road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure
during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to
weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them.


Last year was my first time at Oshkosh, and I understand that the weather
caused the attendance to be down 5 to 10% from previous years. I sure
would have hated to see bikes in the main areas, the congestion would have
been a lot worse. Lots of trams to ride. As for the out-lying areas, I can
see that bikes could be beneficial.

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Well, I hear you. But I sure wish there were some bike paths that we could
use so that getting from my tent in the North 40 to the ultralight area in
the South 40 wasn't a 30-minute (or more) hike.

By the end of the week, none of us can bear the thought of walking down that
far anymore, so we end up skipping huge portions of the show that I'd really
like to see in greater detail.

It seems like a couple of "bikes/scooters only" paths, with parking areas at
either end, would do the trick?

I feel your pain, Jay. I've done my share of schlepping around the
grounds (but starting from the south end of the field). I just don't
think a bike path is practical, and I doubt that those advocating it
here or in the RAH thread have actually given it careful
consideration. Nevertheless, I hope I am proved wrong and that a bike
path is built on the grounds some day.

It's good to know, thanks to David Zera, that bikes would likely be
permitted on the grounds prior to Sunday, July 24. In fact, based on
his information, I'll be arriving on Friday instead of Saturday.

David Odum - email: David at AirplaneZone dot com

What are the reasons that bikes aren't allowed on the grounds? We've got
golf carts trying to kill us all day long, 7-car-trams threatening to run
up our heels, parents pulling wagons or pushing strollers, and "courtesy
cars" driving every which way -- but those of us who live in the North 40
all week can't peddle a bike to save our feet?


Jay,

I have been told that the bikes are banned due to congestion. Those rules
come from Security
not safety. I would love to be able to take my bike out as well.... I could
use the exercise

Now to address your issue about the trams and the golf carts and the fat
guys on scooters ( the scooter guy is me!!! ) ^)

Convention HQ has started to move the motorized equipment off the main drag
during the prime time. They have heard the very valid
issues about the courtesy cars and other equipment VS people and they are
trying very hard to them separate.

Ps. If you see an six foot one 270 lbs guy on a scooter in the AOA area by
the showplanes in the west ramp area keeping the kids and the props
separate say hi! that will be me.!!!

Pss... I tell ya, I love what I do out there, I do believe I make a
difference but the 12 hour days can cook you.

Dave J. Zera
Co-Chairman
Safety / Flight Line

Ps. If you see an six foot one 270 lbs guy on a scooter in the AOA area by
the showplanes in the west ramp area keeping the kids and the props
separate say hi! that will be me.!!!

Will do! And don't forget our rec.aviation party at our campsite out in
the North 40 on Wednesday after the airshow! Food, adult beverages, and
lots of hangar lying, er, flying... :-)

Pss... I tell ya, I love what I do out there, I do believe I make a
difference but the 12 hour days can cook you.

We all really, REALLY appreciate what you guys do, although we may not
always show it.

Thanks!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"