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Gordon wrote: The man that built it donated it to the San Diego Aerospace Museum in approximately 1982 -- I have a photo of myself with it in September 1983 in the library of the museum. Now that's interesting, as the movie probably dated from the late 70's. Did they film a porn movie at his house? It was obviously the one from the movie; it was about three feet in length, silver, and of the early MiG-21F type. It was mounted flat on the wall, topside outwards IIRC. v/r Gordon Seka? Did you really just invoke the name of Seka?? You are talking to a fan of KEISHA, a *real* woman! Aunt Peg. You can tell she's really enjoying it all. Pat |
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In article et, Tankfixer wrote: from Secrecy News www.fas.org VISUAL AIRCRAFT RECOGNITION (FOUO) You do know what FOUO means ? See "Visual Aircraft Recognition," U.S. Army Field Manual FM 3-01.80, January 2006 (413 I guess I should put my 1983 copy up for historical purposes In a follow-up, FAS noted that there are errors in the guide concerning the dimensions of US aircraft. Not only was the recognition guide needlessly restricted, but that restriction may have prevented it from being accurate. D |
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mumbled --------- In article et, Tankfixer wrote: from Secrecy News www.fas.org VISUAL AIRCRAFT RECOGNITION (FOUO) You do know what FOUO means ? See "Visual Aircraft Recognition," U.S. Army Field Manual FM 3-01.80, January 2006 (413 I guess I should put my 1983 copy up for historical purposes In a follow-up, FAS noted that there are errors in the guide concerning the dimensions of US aircraft. Not only was the recognition guide needlessly restricted, but that restriction may have prevented it from being accurate. Needlessly restricted ? That's odd as it can be ordered by any unit with a publications account with USAPA -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." |
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In article . net, Tankfixer wrote: In a follow-up, FAS noted that there are errors in the guide concerning the dimensions of US aircraft. Not only was the recognition guide needlessly restricted, but that restriction may have prevented it from being accurate. Needlessly restricted ? That's odd as it can be ordered by any unit with a publications account with USAPA It was at least classified FOUO, possibly secret. You can look up the post at www.fas.org and see their Secrecy and Government Bulletin. D |
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"DDAY" wrote:
:---------- :In article . net, Tankfixer wrote: : : In a follow-up, FAS noted that there are errors in the guide concerning the : dimensions of US aircraft. Not only was the recognition guide needlessly : restricted, but that restriction may have prevented it from being accurate. : : : Needlessly restricted ? : That's odd as it can be ordered by any unit with a publications account : with USAPA : :It was at least classified FOUO, FOUO isn't a classification. -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -- Thomas Jefferson |
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In article . net,
mumbled ---------- In article . net, Tankfixer wrote: In a follow-up, FAS noted that there are errors in the guide concerning the dimensions of US aircraft. Not only was the recognition guide needlessly restricted, but that restriction may have prevented it from being accurate. Needlessly restricted ? That's odd as it can be ordered by any unit with a publications account with USAPA It was at least classified FOUO, possibly secret. You can look up the post at www.fas.org and see their Secrecy and Government Bulletin. It is FOUO. If it were classified secret FAS would have been closed for publishing it to the web. You can't request classified publications from USAPA. While FAS does at time do a pretty good job they are prone to hype things. -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." |
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"Tankfixer" wrote in message ink.net... In article . net, mumbled ---------- In article . net, Tankfixer wrote: In a follow-up, FAS noted that there are errors in the guide concerning the dimensions of US aircraft. Not only was the recognition guide needlessly restricted, but that restriction may have prevented it from being accurate. Needlessly restricted ? That's odd as it can be ordered by any unit with a publications account with USAPA It was at least classified FOUO, possibly secret. You can look up the post at www.fas.org and see their Secrecy and Government Bulletin. It is FOUO. If it were classified secret FAS would have been closed for publishing it to the web. You can't request classified publications from USAPA. While FAS does at time do a pretty good job they are prone to hype things. The original debate was about AC Recognition. Now, you don't know a damned thing about that so you try to move it away into your area of expertise; trolling on a non related subject. The fact is, you would be the first to bag a F-4 mistaking it for a Mig-21 while the AF, Navy, Marine and Army Flyers will be the last to make that mistake. But those mistakes were made regardless. So you think it's easy? Don't volunteer for AC Spotter for our side. You will do us better to go over to the other side and help them. |
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Or there were those who were never out of burner having been way to
afraid or smart to slow down ----- "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:14:56 -0700, Bill Shatzer wrote: Mike wrote: The F-14, F-15 MiG-29 and Su-27 series all look a LOT alike in motion to most people. MiG-21 and the F-4 look virtually identical in flight. Nah, the F-4 is the one trailing copious amounts of smoke. Cheers, Believe it or not, that was a huge advantage for us in SEA. It was a quick clue whether or not a bogie was friendly. When you've got numerical superiority you don't mind being visible and gaining a little protection from an over-eager shooter. But, the smoke pretty much went away from the F-4 fleet around 1980 as I recall. The upgraded combustion section of the J-79 came around the same time as the wrap-around camo pattern. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" www.thunderchief.org www.thundertales.blogspot.com |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 03:23:40 GMT, "Flashnews"
wrote: Or there were those who were never out of burner having been way to afraid or smart to slow down ----- Reheat was a good way to kill the smoke signature, but consumption, even in min burner was way too high to give adequate endurance for the NVN mission. And, there's always the problem that if you are running around in reheat the rest of the formation is either way behind or way ahead. The wingman can't do it consistently and stay with the leader, the leader can't do it and keep his wingmen. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" www.thunderchief.org www.thundertales.blogspot.com |
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