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Old September 28th 03, 06:11 AM
Mike Noel
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Default Windshield sealant

I need to seal my plexiglass windshield in a few spots and happen to have
some GE Silcone II sealant on hand. It is spec'd as low odor but releases
methanol and ammonia as it cures. I have seen warnings against using
regular silicone sealant since the acetic acid it releases can corrode
aluminum, but I believe ammonia has a high pH (is basic instead of acidic.)
Does anyone know if Silcone II is 'safe and effective' as a windshield
sealant?


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Old September 28th 03, 03:16 PM
Dan Luke
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"Mike Noel" wrote:
It is spec'd as low odor but releases
methanol and ammonia as it cures.


Isn't Windex a no-no for use on plexiglass because it contains
ammonia?
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Dan
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Old September 28th 03, 04:24 PM
the barkers
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Mike,
Ammonia is a definite no for acrylic lenses, so I would avoid it on the
windshield also. Ask your A&E or check with the aircraft manufacturer for
suggested sealants.
Don
"Mike Noel" wrote in message
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I need to seal my plexiglass windshield in a few spots and happen to have
some GE Silcone II sealant on hand. It is spec'd as low odor but releases
methanol and ammonia as it cures. I have seen warnings against using
regular silicone sealant since the acetic acid it releases can corrode
aluminum, but I believe ammonia has a high pH (is basic instead of

acidic.)
Does anyone know if Silcone II is 'safe and effective' as a windshield
sealant?




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Old September 29th 03, 03:14 PM
James M. Knox
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"the barkers" wrote in
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Ammonia is a definite no for acrylic lenses, so I would avoid it on
the windshield also. Ask your A&E or check with the aircraft
manufacturer for suggested sealants.


Ammonia will definitely craze plexiglass over time. However, this is a
minor surface imperfection. It's not going to significantly effect the
structural integrity of the windshield. Remember, we aren't talking about
"cleaning the windshield" with this stuff - just sealing the part that he
can't see through anyway.

Two gotcha's though:

1. Since the windshield is an A&P issue (unlike the side windows) if you
need to pull it to reseal it well then the A&P may be limited to what he
CAN use (mfr. recomendations).

2. Anytime you use Silicone based stuff on your plane, you should mention
it to the person who repaints your airplane in the future. It's real hard
to get the airframe completely free of it, and it can cause "fisheye" near
where it has been used. There is a simple additive they use in the paint
to prevent problems, but they need to know about it.

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James M. Knox
TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
Austin, Tx 78721
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Old September 29th 03, 03:43 PM
Ron Natalie
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"James M. Knox" wrote in message ...

1. Since the windshield is an A&P issue (unlike the side windows) if you
need to pull it to reseal it well then the A&P may be limited to what he
CAN use (mfr. recomendations).


And when it comes right down to it, just because it's an A&P job versus an owner
PM job, doesn't affect the procedures or materials choice. If Elmer's ain't any good
for an A&P, it's no good for the owner-pilot.


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Old September 30th 03, 02:30 PM
James M. Knox
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in
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And when it comes right down to it, just because it's an A&P job
versus an owner PM job, doesn't affect the procedures or materials
choice. If Elmer's ain't any good for an A&P, it's no good for the
owner-pilot.


Quite correct. My comment was more that the A&P might be constrained by
mfr service information to use some particular sealant that was specified
when the aircraft was built (possibly 40 years ago). It may no longer be
the best choice, but it's still the one specified. By no means was I
advocating using one of LESS quality/capability.

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James M. Knox
TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
Austin, Tx 78721
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Old September 30th 03, 03:33 PM
Ron Natalie
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"James M. Knox" wrote in message ...
"Ron Natalie" wrote in
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And when it comes right down to it, just because it's an A&P job
versus an owner PM job, doesn't affect the procedures or materials
choice. If Elmer's ain't any good for an A&P, it's no good for the
owner-pilot.


Quite correct. My comment was more that the A&P might be constrained by
mfr service information to use some particular sealant that was specified
when the aircraft was built (possibly 40 years ago). It may no longer be
the best choice, but it's still the one specified. By no means was I
advocating using one of LESS quality/capability.


And why do you think it's any more or less legal for the owner-pilot to do so.
If it isn't permitted, it isn't permitted. Your A&P may be more conservative
than you are, but the practices are supposed to be the same.


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Old September 28th 03, 10:08 PM
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"Mike Noel" wrote in message ...
I need to seal my plexiglass windshield in a few spots and happen to have
some GE Silcone II sealant on hand. It is spec'd as low odor but releases
methanol and ammonia as it cures. I have seen warnings against using
regular silicone sealant since the acetic acid it releases can corrode
aluminum, but I believe ammonia has a high pH (is basic instead of acidic.)
Does anyone know if Silcone II is 'safe and effective' as a windshield
sealant?


Piper uses a Bostik urethane sealant, can't remember the Bostik p/n,
sorry.

You can order it by p/n from Piper also, the quickest place for a
Piper guy to find the proper p/n is to look up the s.b. on the rear
spar carry-through brackets (the sealant used around the new bracket
is the same sealant used on the windows), or they might find it in the
maintenance manual.

Not sure what Cessna recommends.

TC
 




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