SSA Board Meeting in Charlotte 10-20-12

Perhaps folks have missed digging in to see what's on the Agenda for the Fall SSA Board of Directors Meeting. In case you need a direct link, SSA members can use

http://www.ssa.org/myhome.asp?mbr=4462854266 .

If you have an opinion on some of the business items, please contact your Regional Director to influence their representative duties.
Quickly! Sorry I didn't post this earlier, I leave to travel East soon.


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Soar safely,
Cindy Brickner
Region 12 Director

On Oct 18, 4:22*pm, CindyB wrote:
Perhaps folks have missed digging in to see what's on the Agenda for the Fall SSA Board of Directors Meeting. *In case you need a direct link, SSA members can use

*http://www.ssa.org/myhome.asp?mbr=4462854266*.

If you have an opinion on some of the business items, please contact your Regional Director to influence their representative duties.
Quickly! *Sorry I didn't post this earlier, I leave to travel East soon..

* *If you are not a member, join! and Enjoy the web services, Soaring Magazine archive, Awards Programs, Group insurance program, and news updates on Governmental issues, among other fun things (member blogging enabled, picture archives, flight test performance articles).

Soar safely,
Cindy Brickner
Region 12 Director

Very interesting especially this:

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/DHS%...SC%20pilot.pdf

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:57:42 PM UTC-5, Andrzej Kobus wrote:

Very interesting especially this:

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/DHS%...SC%20pilot.pdf

Wow! I wonder who got the "honor" of that beat-down? So glad that our government and law enforcement is there to protect us, even if it has to kill us to do it.

Steve

On 10/19/2012 8:27 AM, Steve Leonard wrote:
On Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:57:42 PM UTC-5, Andrzej Kobus wrote:

Very interesting especially this:

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/DHS%...SC%20pilot.pdf

Wow! I wonder who got the "honor" of that beat-down? So glad that
our government and law enforcement is there to protect us, even if it
has to kill us to do it.

We have a power reactor and other nuclear related stuff north of us
(Richland, WA). That area has "For reason of national security, pilots
are requested to avoid flight below 1800' MSL in this area". That's
about 1300 AGL. As I understand it, it's just a request, not a requirement.

If they are only two miles from an airport, it seem they would see a lot
of aircraft in the 1000-2000 foot AGL range, either over them or nearby.
Maybe it was the circling that bothered them? In any case, it was nutty
to think about "shooting down" any aircraft that they had time to worry
about. An aircraft with evil intentions would simply fly straight into
the reactor, long before they could arrange any "shoot down".

I wonder what is missing from what we've heard so far; at least the FAA
got it right, as I would expect.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

On Friday, October 19, 2012 9:37:01 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/19/2012 8:27 AM, Steve Leonard wrote:

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:57:42 PM UTC-5, Andrzej Kobus wrote:



Very interesting especially this:



http://www.ssa.org/files/member/DHS%...SC%20pilot.pdf



Wow! I wonder who got the "honor" of that beat-down? So glad that

our government and law enforcement is there to protect us, even if it

has to kill us to do it.



We have a power reactor and other nuclear related stuff north of us

(Richland, WA). That area has "For reason of national security, pilots

are requested to avoid flight below 1800' MSL in this area". That's

about 1300 AGL. As I understand it, it's just a request, not a requirement.



If they are only two miles from an airport, it seem they would see a lot

of aircraft in the 1000-2000 foot AGL range, either over them or nearby.

Maybe it was the circling that bothered them? In any case, it was nutty

to think about "shooting down" any aircraft that they had time to worry

about. An aircraft with evil intentions would simply fly straight into

the reactor, long before they could arrange any "shoot down".



I wonder what is missing from what we've heard so far; at least the FAA

got it right, as I would expect.



--

Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to

email me)

Is the copy of the AOPA letter available directly from the SSA website or from AOPA? I've gone into the member's section and don't find it.

Thanks,
Craig

On Oct 19, 2:27*pm, Craig Funston
wrote:
On Friday, October 19, 2012 9:37:01 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/19/2012 8:27 AM, Steve Leonard wrote:

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:57:42 PM UTC-5, Andrzej Kobus wrote:

Very interesting especially this:

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/DHS%...SC%20pilot.pdf

Wow! *I wonder who got the "honor" of that beat-down? *So glad that

our government and law enforcement is there to protect us, even if it

has to kill us to do it.

We have a power reactor and other nuclear related stuff north of us

(Richland, WA). That area has "For reason of national security, pilots

are requested to avoid flight below 1800' MSL in this area". That's

about 1300 AGL. As I understand it, it's just a request, not a requirement.

If they are only two miles from an airport, it seem they would see a lot

of aircraft in the 1000-2000 foot AGL range, either over them or nearby..

Maybe it was the circling that bothered them? In any case, it was nutty

to think about "shooting down" any aircraft that they had time to worry

about. An aircraft with evil intentions would simply fly straight into

the reactor, long before they could arrange any "shoot down".

I wonder what is missing from what we've heard so far; at least the FAA

got it right, as I would expect.

--

Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to

email me)

Is the copy of the AOPA letter available directly from the SSA website or from AOPA? *I've gone into the member's section and don't find it.

Thanks,
Craig

2nd and3rd posts have links to the letter on the SSA site.
T

The land of the free...

Lots of Wide open spaces and tiny closed minds with a propensity to
police state excesses. Sounds like home.
;-)

On 2012/10/19 12:57 AM, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
On Oct 18, 4:22 pm, CindyB wrote:
Perhaps folks have missed digging in to see what's on the Agenda for the Fall SSA Board of Directors Meeting. In case you need a direct link, SSA members can use

http://www.ssa.org/myhome.asp?mbr=4462854266 .

If you have an opinion on some of the business items, please contact your Regional Director to influence their representative duties.
Quickly! Sorry I didn't post this earlier, I leave to travel East soon.

If you are not a member, join! and Enjoy the web services, Soaring Magazine archive, Awards Programs, Group insurance program, and news updates on Governmental issues, among other fun things (member blogging enabled, picture archives, flight test performance articles).

Soar safely,
Cindy Brickner
Region 12 Director

Very interesting especially this:

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/DHS%...SC%20pilot.pdf


--
Bruce Greeff
T59D #1771

Now, now, let's not generalize so much. We've had these sensitive areas,
like reactors and dams, for 11 years now, and this is the first time a
glider pilot has been harassed. This seems to be a very special case,
not "a propensity to police state excesses"; remember, the FAA said it
was fine.


On 10/21/2012 3:16 AM, BruceGreeff wrote:
The land of the free...

Lots of Wide open spaces and tiny closed minds with a propensity to
police state excesses. Sounds like home.
;-)

On 2012/10/19 12:57 AM, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
On Oct 18, 4:22 pm, CindyB wrote:
Perhaps folks have missed digging in to see what's on the Agenda for
the Fall SSA Board of Directors Meeting. In case you need a direct
link, SSA members can use

http://www.ssa.org/myhome.asp?mbr=4462854266 .

If you have an opinion on some of the business items, please contact
your Regional Director to influence their representative duties.
Quickly! Sorry I didn't post this earlier, I leave to travel East soon.

If you are not a member, join! and Enjoy the web services,
Soaring Magazine archive, Awards Programs, Group insurance program,
and news updates on Governmental issues, among other fun things
(member blogging enabled, picture archives, flight test performance
articles).

Soar safely,
Cindy Brickner
Region 12 Director

Very interesting especially this:

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/DHS%...SC%20pilot.pdf




--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

I wuz just winding RAS up Eric...

Someone DID get locked up without good cause or due process. Some
sheriff being over zealous no doubt, but still good for a dig at
officialdom.

On 2012/10/21 7:33 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Now, now, let's not generalize so much. We've had these sensitive areas,
like reactors and dams, for 11 years now, and this is the first time a
glider pilot has been harassed. This seems to be a very special case,
not "a propensity to police state excesses"; remember, the FAA said it
was fine.


--
Bruce Greeff
T59D #1771

On 10/22/2012 6:23 AM, BruceGreeff wrote:
I wuz just winding RAS up Eric...

Someone DID get locked up without good cause or due process. Some
sheriff being over zealous no doubt, but still good for a dig at
officialdom.

On 2012/10/21 7:33 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Now, now, let's not generalize so much. We've had these sensitive areas,
like reactors and dams, for 11 years now, and this is the first time a
glider pilot has been harassed. This seems to be a very special case,
not "a propensity to police state excesses"; remember, the FAA said it
was fine.

Again, my point is it's not "officialdom" that appears to be the
problem, but more likely an "official" - one person, perhaps two or
three in one place at that particular time.

What I've noticed over the years is we rarely know all the details, so
it's difficult to asses the blame; for example, maybe these people were
on a super-alert because they'd had recent communications from Homeland
Security about potential terrorist acts; maybe the glider pilot was
belligerent instead of accommodating; and so on. It does no good to trot
out our favorite bogeyman whenever things like this happen, given our
lack of knowledge of the situation.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)