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Old February 22nd 04, 02:12 AM
Jay Honeck
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Had some time to kill this afternoon, so I uploaded 18 (yep, EIGHTEEN) new
aviation videos to our website.

These have been sent to me by folks from all over the world. Everything
from video of a new helicopter owner who tried to take 'er for a spin
without the bother of flight lessons (oops!), to three different shots of
the World Trade Center terrorist attacks, to a crazy dude flying a Sukhoi
under a loooow bridge.

I also posted a link to "405 - The Movie". If you haven't seen this flick,
you've got to see it. It's amazing!

Check 'em out at http://alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm .
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


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Old February 22nd 04, 03:15 AM
Chris Hoffmann
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I'm a little surprised to be writing this, but I don't care to ever see WTC
attack footage again.

I'm a little surprised that you chose to add those clips, but I'll not
preach to you. Just thinking out loud...




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Old February 22nd 04, 04:16 AM
Jay Honeck
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I'm a little surprised to be writing this, but I don't care to ever see
WTC
attack footage again.

I'm a little surprised that you chose to add those clips, but I'll not
preach to you. Just thinking out loud...


Interesting that you say that. I, too, feel deeply saddened and angry all
over again when I watched those videos, and I debated whether to put them on
the website.

After reflection I decided that while re-living September 11th is truly
awful, it *is* an important day in our history. And it *is* remarkable,
unique aviation footage.

And, finally, let's not forget that the ******* who instigated that attack
is still out there, still at large, still gathering support. Still on the
run. Still threatening to kill.

Perhaps we need to feel that anger anew?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


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Old February 22nd 04, 06:38 AM
Chris Hoffmann
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That pretty much mirrors something a dear and wise friend had to say about
that footage. As she put it, the world should be reminded of the horror of
that day, and to remember that it's not just Manhattan or the US that's a
target, but anyone, anywhere.

That said, I'll just add this. While I agree that "it *is* an important day
in our history. And it *is* remarkable, unique aviation footage.", I think
you agree that the event depicted in those clips is far more emotionally and
historically significant than anything else on that page, and that bothers
me. It's just there, alphabetized along with airshow mishaps and such,
analogous to having the zapruder film on a page full of presidential parade
clips. I know it isn't your intention to cheapen 9/11, but as that page is,
that's the impression I get - another "cool" aviation video.

I'd suggest setting it apart from the others somehow. Not necessarily it's
own page, but just not lumped in with the rest as it is. But again, it's
just me thinking out loud here - you said you weighed adding them at all,
and I respect your right to operate your site as you see fit. Just a
thought.


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Old February 22nd 04, 01:57 PM
Jay Honeck
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It's just there, alphabetized along with airshow mishaps and such,
analogous to having the zapruder film on a page full of presidential

parade
clips. I know it isn't your intention to cheapen 9/11, but as that page

is,
that's the impression I get - another "cool" aviation video.


Excellent point. It does appear insensitive, the way they are currently
listed.

I will somehow put them in their own category, so they're not shown as just
another "cool video"...

Thanks for your input!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


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Old February 22nd 04, 04:17 PM
Bob Fry
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"Jay Honeck" writes:

It's just there, alphabetized along with airshow mishaps and such,
analogous to having the zapruder film on a page full of presidential

parade
clips. I know it isn't your intention to cheapen 9/11, but as that page

is,
that's the impression I get - another "cool" aviation video.


Excellent point. It does appear insensitive, the way they are currently
listed.

I will somehow put them in their own category, so they're not shown as just
another "cool video"...


If you do create a separate category for 9/11, you might have links to
a couple of sites with appropriate tributes to the victims, both
safety personnel (FDNY, police, and so on) and civilians. Not long
after 9/11 I saw a very moving site that had all the victims' names,
many of their photos, all animated with Enya's "Only Time" piece. I
tried to find it last night but Google by now has too many. Another
great site was that place in Utah, Salt Lake City I think, that had
American flags for each victim. I'll try to search around a bit and
offer URLs so as to save you some time.
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Old February 22nd 04, 06:41 AM
Chris Hoffmann
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Whoops, hit REPLY a bit too soon.
I wanted to add that what you wrote in your response here would do nicely as
an intro to those clips.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message

I, too, feel deeply saddened and angry all
over again when I watched those videos, and I debated whether to put them

on
the website.

After reflection I decided that while re-living September 11th is truly
awful, it *is* an important day in our history. And it *is* remarkable,
unique aviation footage.

And, finally, let's not forget that the ******* who instigated that attack
is still out there, still at large, still gathering support. Still on the
run. Still threatening to kill.

Perhaps we need to feel that anger anew?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"




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Old February 22nd 04, 11:06 AM
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:16:45 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

[I don't want to repeat the copyright issue again ... you even present
footage from 9/11 - I bet everyone and his dog secured their rights on
these clips; one court order and your company site is gone. For the sake of
your company I'd put these files on another domain or delete them. But this
is only me.]

After reflection I decided that while re-living September 11th is truly
awful, it *is* an important day in our history. And it *is* remarkable,
unique aviation footage.


.... and everything that came after that day became very important for the
"_rest_" of the world ... :-(

And, finally, let's not forget that the ******* who instigated that attack
is still out there, still at large, still gathering support.


And now you are surprised?

Still on the
run. Still threatening to kill.


besides you don't have 100% proof of this (you are only repeating what
othres say): not wanting to playing down the event, it wsa tragic and all,
but first: there came even worser things from involved parties one does not
expect implementing them and second: life goes on. sad for the families and
friends directly involved, but true.

For The Homeland! Heil Hi^wRidge!

#m
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Old February 22nd 04, 02:01 PM
Jay Honeck
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[I don't want to repeat the copyright issue again ... you even present
footage from 9/11 - I bet everyone and his dog secured their rights on
these clips; one court order and your company site is gone. For the sake

of
your company I'd put these files on another domain or delete them. But

this
is only me.]


Type "9/11 video" into Google or Yahoo.

You'll get over 2 million hits. Most of them have the video. (Well,
actually I got bored after looking at the first 100 or so...) I'm
apparently in good company.

It's important video, and it belongs to all Americans. We will never
forget.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


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Old February 22nd 04, 06:42 PM
Martin Hotze
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:01:18 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

[I don't want to repeat the copyright issue again ... you even present
footage from 9/11 - I bet everyone and his dog secured their rights on
these clips; one court order and your company site is gone. For the sake

of
your company I'd put these files on another domain or delete them. But

this
is only me.]


Type "9/11 video" into Google or Yahoo.

You'll get over 2 million hits. Most of them have the video. (Well,
actually I got bored after looking at the first 100 or so...) I'm
apparently in good company.


ok, that must make it legal and the footage public domain. no doubt. go
ahead.
I bet you can find hundreds of people with Microsoft (or replace with other
buyware) products installed without proper lincensing - they are so many,
now *that* makes it legal.

It's important video,


true

and it belongs to all Americans.


so the footage and all videos of this event is public domain?

We will never forget.


good. I have no problem with that.

#m

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