Spin

(I wished that I didn't see that show)
I was flipping through channels the other day and I came across a show
called, Real TV. They did a story about a plane crash. They showed this
because one of passengers survived. He or she parachuted out of a spinning
aircraft. The amateur video showed the family having a barbeque at the
airport. All of sudden, the video looked into air and the plane appeared to
be in an erect spin (a six-seated Piper). The video caught the plane doing
at least 5 spins before disappearing behind the building. At one point, the
video caught a glimpse of person jumping and pulling a chute out. I didn't
pay attention to that detail. What bother me the most is the pilot inability
to recover from that spin. During training, I was told that erect and
inverted spin are recoverable. And in event of those spins, I was told that
with proper action, you can break clear in two spins with few hundred feet
to bring plane to level. I have been in an inverted spin demonstrated by an
instructor during training. I do not remember much of detail because I was
caught off-guard with the weightless moment. Now, the show prompted me to
consider taking some sort of spinning and recovering training. Am I being
overacting or paranoid?

Toks Desalu
And I wonder why they FAA removed spin training as requirement in early
years? I know the planes today are 'difficult' to get into spin but, it can
happen.

The airplane was a Cessna C-210 being used as a skydiving airplane. If you
listen to the audio, you can hear the engine running at a high power setting.
You are more than likely not going to recover from a spin with a high power
setting.


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

Regardless of the power setting, you are not going to recover from a spin
with 5 jumpers spin plastered against the back bulkhead, putting the CG well
aft of 30% of the wing chord...
denny

"Ditch" wrote in message
...
The airplane was a Cessna C-210 being used as a skydiving airplane. If you
listen to the audio, you can hear the engine running at a high power
setting.
You are more than likely not going to recover from a spin with a high
power
setting.


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or
North
American*

Regardless of the power setting, you are not going to recover from a spin
with 5 jumpers spin plastered against the back bulkhead, putting the CG well
aft of 30% of the wing chord...
denny

Never having jumped out of a perfectly good airplane, nor having had people
bail out of my M20J, I'm ignorant re carrying jumpers. Do they belt themselves
in place during take off and climb?

Is it likely they were all well aft, or fell back as the pilot slowed down for
their jump, or did he lose it on climbout?

In article ,
emoove (tony) wrote:


Never having jumped out of a perfectly good airplane, nor having had people
bail out of my M20J, I'm ignorant re carrying jumpers. Do they belt themselves
in place during take off and climb?

They are required to be belted for takeoff and landing...and in my
airplane if you're not belted in for takeoff I'll throw you out on the
runway. G

Is it likely they were all well aft, or fell back as the pilot slowed down for
their jump, or did he lose it on climbout?

The crash the original poster described was a Cessna 205 (the small
tail, underpowered 206). The jumper that "bailed out" was a student and
was standing on the gear leg when the airplane entered the spin..she
simply let go.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

The crash the original poster described was a Cessna 205 (the small
tail, underpowered 206).

Yup...dunno why I was thinking it was a C-210.
Here is the accident report.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...08X07972&key=1


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

In article , tony
wrote:

Never having jumped out of a perfectly good airplane, nor having had people
bail out of my M20J, I'm ignorant re carrying jumpers. Do they belt themselves
in place during take off and climb?

The belts are there, but it is probably left to the individual as to
actually using them. Once airbore the jumpers can usually get rather
quickly (practice, practice, practice).
We had a bird nest in the engine compartment of our club 180 early one
Spring. As the plane was climbing to altitude with the first load of
the day, the nest began to smolder and smoke began waifting into the
cabin.
The pilot, scanning the panel and looking down towards the rudder
peddals, started to say, "Boys, I think we got a ..."
By that time, all five jumpers were out the door and gone!

so much for that preflight...

BT

"EDR" wrote in message
...
In article , tony
wrote:

Never having jumped out of a perfectly good airplane, nor having had
people
bail out of my M20J, I'm ignorant re carrying jumpers. Do they belt
themselves
in place during take off and climb?

The belts are there, but it is probably left to the individual as to
actually using them. Once airbore the jumpers can usually get rather
quickly (practice, practice, practice).
We had a bird nest in the engine compartment of our club 180 early one
Spring. As the plane was climbing to altitude with the first load of
the day, the nest began to smolder and smoke began waifting into the
cabin.
The pilot, scanning the panel and looking down towards the rudder
peddals, started to say, "Boys, I think we got a ..."
By that time, all five jumpers were out the door and gone!

I have jumped out of a lot of perfectly good airplanes in every case
(with the smaller planes) there were no seats, no seatbelts and no
door. The jumpers just crouch in the back, holding on to whatever is
handy until the pilot gives the go signal.

Ditch wrote:
The airplane was a Cessna C-210 being used as a skydiving airplane. If you
listen to the audio, you can hear the engine running at a high power setting.
You are more than likely not going to recover from a spin with a high power
setting.

Well, what is to stop you cutting the power ? Or do you mean a spin entered
under power will be unrecoverable even if the power is cut ?

I have vague memory about some kind of spin mode in an aerobatic plane,
that was only recoverable by applying full power. Ring a bell, anyone ?

CV