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Winch Engine Broken
Hello from Japan,
Let me ask for your advice on Tost Engine replacement. Our TOST 2 drum winch engine (type: Olds 455 Bigblock) blew out last week and it looks we need to replace it with spare engine. If anyone know where to search second-hand engine which may fit, our club appreciates to hear any info. Unfortunately our club can't afford to buy new one from TOST or Skylaunch, let us know your idea about any cost-saving option... Due to lack of forum or good network of glider in Japan, let us seek for support from UK! Best, Ueda |
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At 03:50 07 July 2017, Tetsuya Ueda wrote:
Hello from Japan, Let me ask for your advice on Tost Engine replacement. Our TOST 2 drum winch engine (type: Olds 455 Bigblock) blew out last wee and it looks we need to replace it with spare engine. If anyone know where to search second-hand engine which may fit, our clu appreciates to hear any info. Unfortunately our club can't afford to buy new one from TOST or Skylaunch let us know your idea about any cost-saving option... Due to lack of forum or good network of glider in Japan, let us seek fo support from UK! Best, Ueda Ueda, Difficult! You are looking for an engine fitted in American cars about 40 years ago. Your best chance must be the USA. Very few of these cars reached Europe, and I suspect even fewer reached Japan. Reconditioned engines and spare parts are not easy to find. We had the same problem in the UK a few years ago. We couldn't find an Oldsmobile 455 but we were able to find a damaged car with a Pontiac 403 engine. This fitted straight in. It is not as powerful as the 455 but it did let us launch Duo Discus gliders. If you can't find an Oldsmobile or Pontiac engine be aware that Chevrolet engines of the same age may not fit. Oldsmobile used 6 bolts between engine and gearbox, Chevy used 5 so they don't match up. If you change engine and gearbox is the propeller shaft the same? Unfortunately you may have a lot of work to do even when you find another engine. Perhaps the US glider pilots can help. Jim Thomson |
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On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 10:00:06 PM UTC-6, Tetsuya Ueda wrote:
Hello from Japan, Let me ask for your advice on Tost Engine replacement. Our TOST 2 drum winch engine (type: Olds 455 Bigblock) blew out last week and it looks we need to replace it with spare engine. If anyone know where to search second-hand engine which may fit, our club appreciates to hear any info. Unfortunately our club can't afford to buy new one from TOST or Skylaunch, let us know your idea about any cost-saving option... Due to lack of forum or good network of glider in Japan, let us seek for support from UK! Best, Ueda Try Ebay, I found 2 Olds 455 complete engines for sale plus a complete rebuilt kit. Best. Tom. #711. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...ne&_sacat=6001 |
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Many different sources in the US. Here is another:
https://www.powertrainproducts.net/P...dRoC yCDw_wcB |
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What "blew out"?
If it was a head gasket, easy fix. Broken piston, a little worse. Worn out rod/main bearings, not bad. Broken connecting rod which put a hole in the block, pretty bad. If just parts, not sure who ships to Japan from the US. Maybe try: RockAuto.com SummitRacing.com PAW.com (Performance Auto Warehouse) |
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Hi Ueda,
Our club in Holland has a tost winch for sale for a very sharp price. it has little hours and comes with a spare olds mobile 455 engine. You can contact me at sgagrunder on gmail.com. best regards Stephan |
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Hello from Chicago! Our club recently built our Tost winch from a kit and the engine Tost reccomends is the Chevrolet 454 HO. It is still in production and in the USA is easy to find at all major online auto parts suppliers. We bought ours from Jegs for about 5500 dollars. Your challenge is going to be the shipping. Do not buy from Tost or Skylaunch! Why ship an engine from Detroit to Europe to Japan? Order from the online source who will ship for the lowest cost.
Doug Tarmichael Sky Soaring Glider Club Dtarmichael at Comcast dot net |
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On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 12:00:06 AM UTC-4, Tetsuya Ueda wrote:
Hello from Japan, Let me ask for your advice on Tost Engine replacement. Our TOST 2 drum winch engine (type: Olds 455 Bigblock) blew out last week and it looks we need to replace it with spare engine. If anyone know where to search second-hand engine which may fit, our club appreciates to hear any info. Unfortunately our club can't afford to buy new one from TOST or Skylaunch, let us know your idea about any cost-saving option... Due to lack of forum or good network of glider in Japan, let us seek for support from UK! Best, Ueda Hi Ueda, I agree with all of the other advice - there are many of these engines available in the US. We used to do auto tow with a first-generation Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser wagon with the 455 engine. There were hundreds of used ones available and we would routinely find replacements with only a couple of phone calls to salvage yards. If there are other Tost winches in Japan, you might be better off buying a couple of engines and having them shipped in a container. For a Less than Container Load (LCL) you should be able to get something for well under $1000. The trick will be to find someone in the US who can help with the logistics. Erik Mann (P3) |
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Hi Ueda
I believe Skylaunch have some used 455 Olds engines in stock so it would be worth contacting them to check price. Price for a used engine will be much cheaper than for new. European gliding clubs may also have used/spare Olds 455 in stock so it worth advertising on here and segelflug.de or the various Glider for sale pages on Facebook. Otherwise best option is to buy a used or reconditioned Olds 455 from the USA. This is the simplest fix to replace exactly what you have. If you convert to Chevy 454 or 502 you'll end up changing various mountings, ancillaries, transmission (or using an adapter plate), maybe changing propshaft length, various parts of the fuel/intake system, exhausts etc. The Chevy is a slightly better engine in some respects but the conversion is bigger than you think because of these implications. It will be a much more expensive and time-consuming task. So I suggest your job is to find the best deal for price, engine condition and support for a used Olds 455 shipped to Japan, then to swap it over including all your existing ancillaries etc. It would also be worth comparing this price with an engine rebuild of your existing engine if there are no holes in the engine block etc. How major was the failure? Good luck Andy Holmes BGA Winch Advisor & Skylaunch consultant At 14:56 07 July 2017, Papa3 wrote: On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 12:00:06 AM UTC-4, Tetsuya Ueda wrote: Hello from Japan,=20 =20 Let me ask for your advice on Tost Engine replacement.=20 Our TOST 2 drum winch engine (type: Olds 455 Bigblock) blew out last week and it looks we need to replace it with spare engine. =20 If anyone know where to search second-hand engine which may fit, our club appreciates to hear any info. =20 Unfortunately our club can't afford to buy new one from TOST or Skylaunch= , let us know your idea about any cost-saving option... =20 =20 Due to lack of forum or good network of glider in Japan, let us seek for support from UK! =20 Best, Ueda Hi Ueda,=20 I agree with all of the other advice - there are many of these engines avai= lable in the US. We used to do auto tow with a first-generation Oldsmobil= e Custom Cruiser wagon with the 455 engine. There were hundreds of used o= nes available and we would routinely find replacements with only a couple o= f phone calls to salvage yards. =20 If there are other Tost winches in Japan, you might be better off buying a = couple of engines and having them shipped in a container. For a Less than = Container Load (LCL) you should be able to get something for well under $10= 00. The trick will be to find someone in the US who can help with the logis= tics. =20 Erik Mann (P3) |
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