New GA Security System at KFRG

Get ready guys, here it comes. In short, badges for every operator and
badged-carrying escorts for all others on the ramp (i.e. passengers).
Background checks every 2 years on our dime.

About to flip the switch in a few weeks.

Marco

Is Massport taking over FRG?

"Marco Leon" wrote in message
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Get ready guys, here it comes. In short, badges for every operator and
badged-carrying escorts for all others on the ramp (i.e. passengers).
Background checks every 2 years on our dime.

About to flip the switch in a few weeks.

Marco

"Yes - I have a name" wrote in message
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Is Massport taking over FRG?

No, but Hanscom was referred to quite a bit. From what I understand, this is
the first large implementation since the handful of airports (i.e. Massport
airports) were done soon after 9-11.

Marco

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"Marco Leon" wrote:

"Yes - I have a name" wrote in message
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Is Massport taking over FRG?

No, but Hanscom was referred to quite a bit. From what I understand, this is
the first large implementation since the handful of airports (i.e. Massport
airports) were done soon after 9-11.

The only reference that should be made to Massport is wrt how not
to do it.

Somehow Massport can't stop losing money when charging hangar rates
almost twice those at other MA airports. This is the organization you want
having any involvement in running an airport?

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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The only reference that should be made to Massport is wrt how not
to do it.

Somehow Massport can't stop losing money when charging hangar rates
almost twice those at other MA airports. This is the organization you
want
having any involvement in running an airport?

Are you based at BED? Republic airport's mgmt keeps referring to them as the
working model. It would be good to get a point of view by someone with a
view "under the hood" so to speak. FRG is run by the same folks the run
Teterboro so the fear is that small aircraft will be methodically pushed out
in favor of biz jets.

Marco

Marco Leon wrote:
"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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The only reference that should be made to Massport is wrt how not
to do it.

Somehow Massport can't stop losing money when charging hangar rates
almost twice those at other MA airports. This is the organization you
want
having any involvement in running an airport?

Are you based at BED? Republic airport's mgmt keeps referring to them as the
working model. It would be good to get a point of view by someone with a
view "under the hood" so to speak. FRG is run by the same folks the run
Teterboro so the fear is that small aircraft will be methodically pushed out
in favor of biz jets.

Marco


I knew Teterboro is run by the Port Authority of NY/NJ, I was unaware
that the same runs FRG.

Farmingdale is (was) a great field with at least one decent FBO. LG
Hanscom is a great field severely hampered by an overzealous and
incompetent state port authority owner. It would be a terrible shame to
see Farmingdale adopt the stupid (and largely useless) measures that
Hanscom has done. This includes the propeller locks (which do nothing
except risk damage by wind and inexperience pilots), and very expensive
badges (don't have a badge? you can be escorted. Have a badge but it is
somewhere else? you can't be escorted on pain of many $$ thousands of
dollar fines.) It is also amusing that at BOS the same Mass Port
Authority requires GA people to go through metal detectors to get to
their GA plane.

Last time I checked, Massport wanted a substantial fee and your social
security # to get one of their badges. I would never trust my social
security number to those clowns. The port authority is actually a very
large collection of patronage hacks that do not know the difference
between effective measures and pointless burdens on the damned
citizens/taxpayers. I have heard that Mass Port tries to enforce their
rules (as a quasi-state agency, they can make their own legal
regulations) on the military / Air Force ramp via the state police. I
was unaware that any tinhat state agency had jurisdiction on military
property.

This is sad news that anyone would hold Mass Port Authority to be a
"model" for anything, except a case study in incompetence.

On 11/8/2007 12:50:32 PM, "Marco Leon" wrote:

Get ready guys, here it comes. In short, badges for every operator and
badged-carrying escorts for all others on the ramp (i.e. passengers).
Background checks every 2 years on our dime.

Who is the group mandating this?

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message
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On 11/8/2007 12:50:32 PM, "Marco Leon" wrote:

Get ready guys, here it comes. In short, badges for every operator and
badged-carrying escorts for all others on the ramp (i.e. passengers).
Background checks every 2 years on our dime.

Who is the group mandating this?

New York State--who referred to FRG as becoming the "crown jewel" of GA
airport security. is Syracuse state-owned?

Marco

On 11/8/2007 1:49:09 PM, "Marco Leon" wrote:

is Syracuse state-owned?

Syracuse is owned by the city.

Looks like another mere window dressing move to appease the non-flying
masses. Does anyone really think it will prevent a terrorist act? Of course,
coming from the same state where the governor is pushing to issue drivers'
licenses to illegal immigrants, anything is possible.

What is AOPA saying about the new security requirement there?

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Syracuse is owned by the city.

Looks like another mere window dressing move to appease the non-flying
masses. Does anyone really think it will prevent a terrorist act? Of
course,
coming from the same state where the governor is pushing to issue drivers'
licenses to illegal immigrants, anything is possible.

What is AOPA saying about the new security requirement there?

They (Cebula) were in the building but the meeting I went to were only open
to the folks that took the security "training" online and were in line to
get a badge. There was a group of pilots who refused to give their SS# so
AOPA held another meeting for them in another room. They've admitted that
the TSA's items of interest were aircraft over 12,500 lbs. Since there is no
way to segregate those aircraft, they declared an entire perimeter a SIDA
(Secure Identification Display Area).

They were pretty slick. About 4 months ago, they held a meeting to say that
they will badge everyone who has access to an airplane and flat-out deny
vehicle access. The uproar was over the vehicle access so they met with the
pilot groups (one represented by AOPA) and worked out a deal where we pay
$100/year/vehicle to help defray costs of the gate access. No one objected
to the badging in general--no one. This is out of about 200 people who
showed up at that first meeting.

To be honest, as an aircraft owner, I would not want strangers roaming a
ramp with tens of thousands of dollars worth of allen key-secured avionics
in any give aircraft. I think everyone else felt the same way.

In the meeting last night, 5% of the people there (who did not go to the
original meeting months ago) spent 80% of the meeting opposing the badging
in general but by now, there had been millions spent on the system and were
ready to turn it on with the "backing" of the pilot's groups. They were a
day late and a dollar short.

As far as preventing terrorism, they are basing the background checks on the
TSA guidelines of 28 disqualifying factors.

Marco