A340 Incident

You may have seen this already. I have several others if interested.

With some attention, you'll see is a little scratch on the painting.

Peavey_HP_Signature_Guy a écrit :
Incident?!?!

"K&FKeam" wrote in message
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You may have seen this already. I have several others if interested.




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is there already a report out what really happeend .. ?

servus

markus

Asp Explorer wrote:
With some attention, you'll see is a little scratch on the painting.

Peavey_HP_Signature_Guy a écrit :

Incident?!?!

"K&FKeam" wrote in message
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You may have seen this already. I have several others if interested.

Markus Baur wrote:

is there already a report out what really happeend .. ?

Can't find the link now. They did a max power test, and apparently mx ran up
all four engines simultaneously instead of one by one, overpowering the
aircraft's brakes.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:46:08 +0100, Michael Huber
wrote:

Markus Baur wrote:

is there already a report out what really happeend .. ?

Can't find the link now. They did a max power test, and apparently mx ran up
all four engines simultaneously instead of one by one, overpowering the
aircraft's brakes.

I would suggest that one does not do full power runs "one at a time" on a large
airplane with wing engines. If you do, the thing is liable to spin like a top.
Every airline I've that I've ever worked on their airplanes had a policy of
running at least two wing engines at the same time, one on each side, for full
power runs. Twin and tri-engined airplanes required that both wing engines be
run at the same time for full power runs. In fact, that same policy was used on
TWA's Connies (other airlines with prop airplanes I'm not sure about).

Generally, not all 4 are run at full power although I've done so on 707's and
747's a few times in the past (we always used chocks on all wheels, too,
including the nose). It's somewhat exhilarating, if you like getting your teeth
rattled. Even more so if standing outside, next to an engine at full power. It
vibrates you to the core.
Cheers,
jc

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:25:20 +0100, Markus Baur
wrote:

is there already a report out what really happeend .. ?

(snip)

Here are some links:
http://www.aviation.com/safety/07111...-incident.html
http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=20071115-0
http://www.aviation-safety-security....airbus-fa.html

Ken

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If you want teeth rattling and the feeling that your heart is going to
vibrate though your chest, you should try a B-52G with all 8 burning water
(water injection for the uninitiated).

I never got to work on the SR-71, but their power runs were always awesome.
Your teeth rattled from a 1/2 mile away.



"jc" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:46:08 +0100, Michael Huber

wrote:

Markus Baur wrote:

is there already a report out what really happeend .. ?

Can't find the link now. They did a max power test, and apparently mx ran
up
all four engines simultaneously instead of one by one, overpowering the
aircraft's brakes.

I would suggest that one does not do full power runs "one at a time" on a
large
airplane with wing engines. If you do, the thing is liable to spin like
a top.
Every airline I've that I've ever worked on their airplanes had a policy
of
running at least two wing engines at the same time, one on each side, for
full
power runs. Twin and tri-engined airplanes required that both wing
engines be
run at the same time for full power runs. In fact, that same policy was
used on
TWA's Connies (other airlines with prop airplanes I'm not sure about).

Generally, not all 4 are run at full power although I've done so on 707's
and
747's a few times in the past (we always used chocks on all wheels, too,
including the nose). It's somewhat exhilarating, if you like getting your
teeth
rattled. Even more so if standing outside, next to an engine at full
power. It
vibrates you to the core.
Cheers,
jc

I was stationed at Beale AFB, CA from 85-87. I lived in base housing three
miles from the flightline and run up area. I still remember the house
rattling when they were doing SR run ups. Wasn't the SR-71 cabled during
runups?
As for the B-52s. I was stationed at Beale AFB,TX from 78-80. My barricks
was next to the flight line. I will never forget the run up from the
KC-135s and B-52s. The black smoke and the noise was bad. The alert pad
run up were no better.

J.F.


"Eric" wrote in message
news
If you want teeth rattling and the feeling that your heart is going to
vibrate though your chest, you should try a B-52G with all 8 burning water
(water injection for the uninitiated).

I never got to work on the SR-71, but their power runs were always
awesome. Your teeth rattled from a 1/2 mile away.



"jc" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:46:08 +0100, Michael Huber

wrote:

Markus Baur wrote:

is there already a report out what really happeend .. ?

Can't find the link now. They did a max power test, and apparently mx ran
up
all four engines simultaneously instead of one by one, overpowering the
aircraft's brakes.

I would suggest that one does not do full power runs "one at a time" on a
large
airplane with wing engines. If you do, the thing is liable to spin like
a top.
Every airline I've that I've ever worked on their airplanes had a policy
of
running at least two wing engines at the same time, one on each side, for
full
power runs. Twin and tri-engined airplanes required that both wing
engines be
run at the same time for full power runs. In fact, that same policy was
used on
TWA's Connies (other airlines with prop airplanes I'm not sure about).

Generally, not all 4 are run at full power although I've done so on 707's
and
747's a few times in the past (we always used chocks on all wheels, too,
including the nose). It's somewhat exhilarating, if you like getting
your teeth
rattled. Even more so if standing outside, next to an engine at full
power. It
vibrates you to the core.
Cheers,
jc

I worked B-52's in Michigan and then 135's at Mildenhall from '77-'84. The
SR-71 routinely came in TDY. I usually worked nights, just getting to bed
about the time the SR would take-off. You could hear the engine start cart
with the two huge (I believe Buick) V-8's with shorty open headers all the
way over to the barracks, so you knew what was coming . The vibration from
take-off was so bad that stuff on the shelves would occasionally fall off.

I did see chains and/or cables used as tie-downs, attached to what looked
like a manhole cover with an eyelet welded to it. Obviously it wasn't a
manhole cover as the SR never pulled it out of the concrete on HS-24, not
far from Mum's Wood.

Mostly off-topic, but, does anybody out there know the stories behind Mum's
Wood and HS-28 at RAF Mildenhall?

"J.F." wrote in message
. net...
I was stationed at Beale AFB, CA from 85-87. I lived in base housing three
miles from the flightline and run up area. I still remember the house
rattling when they were doing SR run ups. Wasn't the SR-71 cabled during
runups?
As for the B-52s. I was stationed at Beale AFB,TX from 78-80. My
barricks was next to the flight line. I will never forget the run up from
the KC-135s and B-52s. The black smoke and the noise was bad. The alert
pad run up were no better.

J.F.


"Eric" wrote in message
news
If you want teeth rattling and the feeling that your heart is going to
vibrate though your chest, you should try a B-52G with all 8 burning
water (water injection for the uninitiated).

I never got to work on the SR-71, but their power runs were always
awesome. Your teeth rattled from a 1/2 mile away.



"jc" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:46:08 +0100, Michael Huber

wrote:

Markus Baur wrote:

is there already a report out what really happeend .. ?

Can't find the link now. They did a max power test, and apparently mx
ran up
all four engines simultaneously instead of one by one, overpowering the
aircraft's brakes.

I would suggest that one does not do full power runs "one at a time" on
a large
airplane with wing engines. If you do, the thing is liable to spin
like a top.
Every airline I've that I've ever worked on their airplanes had a policy
of
running at least two wing engines at the same time, one on each side,
for full
power runs. Twin and tri-engined airplanes required that both wing
engines be
run at the same time for full power runs. In fact, that same policy was
used on
TWA's Connies (other airlines with prop airplanes I'm not sure about).

Generally, not all 4 are run at full power although I've done so on
707's and
747's a few times in the past (we always used chocks on all wheels, too,
including the nose). It's somewhat exhilarating, if you like getting
your teeth
rattled. Even more so if standing outside, next to an engine at full
power. It
vibrates you to the core.
Cheers,
jc

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:48:24 -0600, "Eric" wrote:

If you want teeth rattling and the feeling that your heart is going to
vibrate though your chest, you should try a B-52G with all 8 burning water
(water injection for the uninitiated).

I never got to work on the SR-71, but their power runs were always awesome.
Your teeth rattled from a 1/2 mile away.

A quick check says the -52 engines are rated at almost 57k lbs of thrust but you
can only get "hands on" with two at a time. Only? Yah, right!

The Rolls engines on the 747's and L1011's that I worked on were in the 40,000
lb. area, while the later planes, such as the 767, kicked it up quite a bit.
Get into the 777 and you're up there with two of the 52's engines at full power.

But any of 'em will vibrate your filllings pretty good. The "old timers" say
the piston engines rattled you around more than the jets... personally, I'll
admit going back as far as 707's but I've run a couple of fairly large radials.
They shook more but to me, they didn't seem to make the air vibrate like the big
jets do. For as smooth as they are, that much 'stuff' moving around at those
kinds of RPM, well, even trimming a 'little' engine on a DC-9 or MD-80 can
rattle you around pretty good. For most guys, the first time they experience it
is not something they'll ever forget!
Cheers,
jc