How did KPHX Class B get so screwed up?

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:35:40 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote in :

The new Class B airspace at KPHX

http://skyvector.com/#32-25-3-3647-2226
It's a pistol.

But I think KSAN is even more difficult to visualize:
http://skyvector.com/#32-25-3-3647-2226 . It has VFR tunnels through
various Class B sectors.

Larry Dighera writes:

But I think KSAN is even more difficult to visualize:
http://skyvector.com/#32-25-3-3647-2226 . It has VFR tunnels through
various Class B sectors.

The VFR corridor at least follows the shoreline; conceivably one could
navigate through it just by looking at the ground.

There aren't any VFR corridors at all in Phoenix that I've noticed.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Larry Dighera writes:

But I think KSAN is even more difficult to visualize:
http://skyvector.com/#32-25-3-3647-2226 . It has VFR tunnels through
various Class B sectors.

The VFR corridor at least follows the shoreline; conceivably one could
navigate through it just by looking at the ground.

There aren't any VFR corridors at all in Phoenix that I've noticed.


So what, fjukktard?

You don't fly.

Bertie

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:47:23 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote in :

Larry Dighera writes:

But I think KSAN is even more difficult to visualize:
http://skyvector.com/#32-25-3-3647-2226 . It has VFR tunnels through
various Class B sectors.

The VFR corridor at least follows the shoreline; conceivably one could
navigate through it just by looking at the ground.


I should have said Class E tunnels instead of VFR tunnels. Take a
look at the four sectors with DOUBLE floors and ceilings enclosed in
blue boxes he http://skyvector.com/#32-24-2-4904-4560

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Larry Dighera writes:

But I think KSAN is even more difficult to visualize:
http://skyvector.com/#32-25-3-3647-2226 . It has VFR tunnels through
various Class B sectors.

The VFR corridor at least follows the shoreline; conceivably one could
navigate through it just by looking at the ground.

There aren't any VFR corridors at all in Phoenix that I've noticed.

Idiot. But then again, I wouldn't trust any children to learn
English from you, let alone French.

The answer is on the same site you glorify and probably smoke
choads from. I quote from the Phoenix TAC:

The *VFR TRANSITION ROUTE* over Phoenix Sky Harbor Int'l Airport is
based on Runway in use. 7s/8: use the West route. 25s/26, use the East
route.

Next to it? details on the transition routes. On top of that,
the Canal Transition route.

Anthony, shut up. You obviously have no idea what you're
talking about.

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Idiot. But then again, I wouldn't trust any children to learn
English from you, let alone French.

The answer is on the same site you glorify and probably smoke
choads from. I quote from the Phoenix TAC:

The *VFR TRANSITION ROUTE* over Phoenix Sky Harbor Int'l Airport is
based on Runway in use. 7s/8: use the West route. 25s/26, use the East
route.

A transition route isn't a corridor. A corridor is outside the Class B; a
transition route goes through it. Look at KSAN to see a true VFR corridor.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Idiot. But then again, I wouldn't trust any children to learn
English from you, let alone French.

The answer is on the same site you glorify and probably smoke
choads from. I quote from the Phoenix TAC:

The *VFR TRANSITION ROUTE* over Phoenix Sky Harbor Int'l Airport is
based on Runway in use. 7s/8: use the West route. 25s/26, use the
East route.

A transition route isn't a corridor. A corridor is outside the Class
B; a transition route goes through it. Look at KSAN to see a true VFR
corridor.

Why?

You don't fly...

Bertie

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:50:12 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote in :

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Idiot. But then again, I wouldn't trust any children to learn
English from you, let alone French.

The answer is on the same site you glorify and probably smoke
choads from. I quote from the Phoenix TAC:

The *VFR TRANSITION ROUTE* over Phoenix Sky Harbor Int'l Airport is
based on Runway in use. 7s/8: use the West route. 25s/26, use the East
route.

A transition route isn't a corridor. A corridor is outside the Class B; a
transition route goes through it. Look at KSAN to see a true VFR corridor.

As long as we're on the subject, let's mention the LAX Special Flight
Rules Area directly over the airport between 3,500' and 4,500':
http://skyvector.com/perl/code?id=KLAX&scale=3 . It is a VFR route
through KLAX Class B surface area that doesn't require ATC
authorization nor communication with ATC!

There's an explanation of how to use it on the lower left hand corner
of the KLAX Terminal Control Area chart.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Idiot. But then again, I wouldn't trust any children to learn
English from you, let alone French.

The answer is on the same site you glorify and probably smoke
choads from. I quote from the Phoenix TAC:

The *VFR TRANSITION ROUTE* over Phoenix Sky Harbor Int'l Airport is
based on Runway in use. 7s/8: use the West route. 25s/26, use the East
route.

A transition route isn't a corridor. A corridor is outside the Class B; a
transition route goes through it. Look at KSAN to see a true VFR corridor.

Wrong. SFRA at LAX is a corridor and *IN THE CLASS B*.

Either get your facts straight, or plan to have a size 15 boot
shoved up your ass every time you open your moouth.

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Wrong. SFRA at LAX is a corridor and *IN THE CLASS B*.

The SFRA at LAX is a SFRA, and so it is neither a corridor nor a transition
route.