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Thank you all for responding to my last post about glider operations
at other airports. I am refining that request. I am looking of any written operational plans for glider operations at public airports with a single runway. The airport owners at my airport are not letting me stage our gliders at the take off ends of the runway. We have more than enough space for safe staging areas at each end, and have been staging near the take off end of 25 or 07 for decades, without complaints, but now the owners want us to load and unload passengers in the parking area and tow the loaded sailplane 3000ft to the end of the runway. For a while they were saying they would not allow us to use any wing runners past the hold short line! It's very difficult when non-pilots try to make the rules! This is an airport with very little traffic, especially when the wind is blowing, which is when we do most of our soaring. Please send me any written operational plans for staging gliders close to the take off ends of airports with single runways Thank you. Gary Boggs www.nwskysports.com |
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Perhaps the owners should take a ride, or better yet, help launch a
glider using the different procedures. |
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On May 15, 3:07*pm, wrote:
Perhaps the owners should take a ride, or better yet, help launch a glider using the different procedures. I thought this was a good idea so I invited them out for a ride, or at least to see my operation. Non of them has ever seen any glider operation. They wrote back that they don't need to take a ride or see the operation to make rules!? |
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On May 16, 6:09 am, GARY BOGGS wrote:
On May 15, 3:07 pm, wrote: Perhaps the owners should take a ride, or better yet, help launch a glider using the different procedures. I thought this was a good idea so I invited them out for a ride, or at least to see my operation. Non of them has ever seen any glider operation. They wrote back that they don't need to take a ride or see the operation to make rules!? Gary: You got N numbers on your glider, you're allowed to use a public-use airport. (It is public use, isn't it? If not, you might not have much hope of prevailing. My experience with the FAA is that they will listen to reason when it comes to glider ground movement, but I cannot speak for town fathers.) I think if you draft a glider operational plan you are conceding to them and giving them the chance to detail you to death. Fred |
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On May 15, 4:55*pm, GARY BOGGS wrote:
Thank you all for responding to my last post about glider operations at other airports. *I am refining that request. *I am looking of any written operational plans for glider operations at public airports with a single runway. *The airport owners at my airport are not letting me stage our gliders at the take off ends of the runway. *We have more than enough space for safe staging areas at each end, and have been staging near the take off end of 25 or 07 for decades, without complaints, but now the owners want us to load and unload passengers in the parking area and tow the loaded sailplane 3000ft to the end of the runway. *For a while they were saying they would not allow us to use any wing runners past the hold short line! *It's very difficult when non-pilots try to make the rules! *This is an airport with very little traffic, especially when the wind is blowing, which is when we do most of our soaring. Please send me any written operational plans for staging gliders close to the take off ends of airports with single runways Thank you. Gary Boggswww.nwskysports.com Can't you get some help from the SSA? I'm sure if this management group could hear of the many, many gliderports that stage along the runway, they may begin to understand. How about requesting some of your "powered" friends who fly there to speak on your behalf? Are these managers even pilots? If so, there may be some influence to be had from the powered community based there. These are probably things you've thought of already, but I thought I'd throw them out there. Seems a shame to have to deal with these "arbitrary" limitations. |
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On May 15, 3:55 pm, GARY BOGGS wrote:
Thank you all for responding to my last post about glider operations at other airports. I am refining that request. I am looking of any written operational plans for glider operations at public airports with a single runway. The airport owners at my airport are not letting me stage our gliders at the take off ends of the runway. We have more than enough space for safe staging areas at each end, and have been staging near the take off end of 25 or 07 for decades, without complaints, but now the owners want us to load and unload passengers in the parking area and tow the loaded sailplane 3000ft to the end of the runway. For a while they were saying they would not allow us to use any wing runners past the hold short line! It's very difficult when non-pilots try to make the rules! This is an airport with very little traffic, especially when the wind is blowing, which is when we do most of our soaring. Please send me any written operational plans for staging gliders close to the take off ends of airports with single runways Thank you. Gary Boggswww.nwskysports.com Gary, I would be very careful about submitting an operational plan for the "approval" of the board. You may want to have your own SOP that you refer to, but not leave them any option for approval. If they complain ask if they approve operations for every aircraft that flies from the field. When our airport manager requested a review by the FAA to try and exclude us from one of our runways he was in for a big surprise. The FAA came back and said we were operating within the FAR's and that the airport should actually give us more leeway. If you have someone at the FSDO that understands gliders you may want to get them involved. They can actually help to explain the FARs to the airport board and explain that you are operating within them. The board may own the airport, but if they took federal funds they are bound to ensure that you can operate in a reasonable manner. Vehicles to move aircraft, wing runners, staging aircraft, auto tow and winches are all part of normal glider operations and can not be excluded with out true cause. And cause is only usually that there is a very significant amount of traffic that is impacted (i.e. continuous SEL and Jets). |
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GARY BOGGS wrote:
On May 15, 3:07?pm, wrote: Perhaps the owners should take a ride, or better yet, help launch a glider using the different procedures. I thought this was a good idea so I invited them out for a ride, or at least to see my operation. Non of them has ever seen any glider operation. They wrote back that they don't need to take a ride or see the operation to make rules!? The correct answer to any offer of free aviation is *always* "yes". If the rule-makers don't understand this then it's obvious they're not qualified for the position! -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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