CAVU and I'm Grounded!

What if he got ramped? Would it be such a little piece of missing paper
then?

Um, have you ever been ramp checked? I have, and:

1. They don't ask about your transponder, because...
2. There is no way for them to know your transponder is out of the 24 month
period.

Unless, of course, you carry your aircraft logs everywhere you go, and are
goofy enough to let the inspector see them?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:dmM2c.79638$ko6.426325@attbi_s02...
You need the transponder check even for VFR. I suspect he's close enough
to the class B to require it.

If he's in Class B, he's definitely screwed without a transponder.

Or inside an ADIZ. Or he doesn't want to fly w/o flight following.

However, it's not broken -- he's missing a piece of paperwork. If the thing
is working (and, as I said, ATC will let you know if something is amiss),
make an appointment to get the thing checked, and go fly.

As others have pointed out, missing paperwork might be no problem at
all. Or, in case of a ramp check or small incident, might turn out to
be a very big problem.

A transponder is hardly a flight-critical instrument.

Depends, we don't really know his situation. He might always like to
fly with FF, he might be inside an Bravo's veil or under an ADIZ. He
might always fly IFR.

It's always easy, and fun, to sit back and offer ideas. Useful too in
many cases, especially for low-timers like myself. But in the end,
he's PIC in this case and is most likely considering things that we're
not aware of.

-Malcolm Teas

Dave Stadt wrote:

"Dan Truesdell" wrote in message
...
How about this scenario. Your weight and balance paperwork is missing.
Or you don't have your medical on you. Or your BFR expired a few days
ago, but it's just a short trip around the pattern for a ride for a
friend. Whatever. You have an incident that bangs up the plane. Do
you think your insurance company is going to pay. Not likely.

Mine would. If you accept a policy with those type of exclusions that's
your problem.

Mine would not pay if my flight review were not current. Or if the plane were
out of annual, for that matter. There are, however, many cases in which FARs
were violated and my company would pay up. Not having my medical certificate
or pilot's certificate handy would be one such case.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

Jay Honeck wrote:

But then, around here I would just turn the damned thing off. He
apparently doesn't have that option.

That would make it two FARs you're violating instead of just one.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

"john smith" wrote in message ...

The Regs allow for operation within Class B without a transponder,
working or absent. Even under the Veil!

Yes, but it requires ATC permission. I've operated in and out of Dulles with
no transponder (doubly onerous because the primary radar at the Dulles Approach
was out at the time) but we were willing to do the "at or below 1500 runway heading
until clear" number to do it.

Morgan Freeman was in Driving Miss Daisy. Morgan Fairchild is the
beautiful blond actress.

john smith wrote:

Ron Natalie wrote:
"john smith" wrote in message ...


The Fairchild Suite, eh? Wellll, I'm not sure where to get Fairchild
memorabilia.

Morgan Fairchild? Get get some Old Navy commercials and videos of the
sitcoms she was on.

I thought Morgan Fairchild was the black guy in Driving Ms. Daisy.

I think you are correct. The female one spells her first name oddly.

But then, around here I would just turn the damned thing off. He
apparently doesn't have that option.

That would make it two FARs you're violating instead of just one.

I can't turn my transponder off and go fly VFR?

Boy, I apparently know an awful lot of people that need to be arrested.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
But then, around here I would just turn the damned thing off. He
apparently doesn't have that option.

That would make it two FARs you're violating instead of just one.

I can't turn my transponder off and go fly VFR?

Boy, I apparently know an awful lot of people that need to be arrested.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Hmmm, you must be from one of those flat states with no class Bs...

--
Jim Pennino

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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:13:48 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

But then, around here I would just turn the damned thing off. He
apparently doesn't have that option.

That would make it two FARs you're violating instead of just one.

I can't turn my transponder off and go fly VFR?

Boy, I apparently know an awful lot of people that need to be arrested.

You can't where I am (inside Philly's Mode C veil). Must be nice.
I'll bet you even have some genuine Class G out there too. Yeah, I'm
jealous.
Rich Russell

Jay Honeck wrote:

I can't turn my transponder off and go fly VFR?

That's correct. If you have a transponder that's operable, it must be on at all
times when you're in the air.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.