Cost of operating a Skyhawk

Jim Carter
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And you would be wrong.

From 14 CFR 61.113 (c)

...provided the expenses involve only fuel, oil, airport expeditures, or
rental fees.

As a US private pilot, you can't "share" the cost of such things as engine
overhauls, home based tie down fees, insurance, normal maintenance, etc.

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Jim Pennino


And "airport expenditures" would be? I interpret that to mean any
expenditure I make to maintain the aircraft at the airport in an airworthy
condition. Admittedly, "airport expenditures" is rather abstract and might
go either way, but until it is more properly defined mighten it also cover
maintenance, hanger or tie down, and any other expense at the airport for
the aircraft? The CFR doesn't specifically say landing fee, or parking fee,
but it could have.

Please understand, I'm not advocating any fees or charges here. What I am
saying is that it should be up to the owner to decide what the hourly rate
is that the passenger would be splitting, not the passenger. That was the
whole point of my post and I believe I even said so in a previous note.

Jim Carter wrote:
Jim Carter
wrote in message
...
...
And you would be wrong.

From 14 CFR 61.113 (c)

...provided the expenses involve only fuel, oil, airport expeditures, or
rental fees.

As a US private pilot, you can't "share" the cost of such things as engine
overhauls, home based tie down fees, insurance, normal maintenance, etc.

...
--
Jim Pennino


And "airport expenditures" would be? I interpret that to mean any
expenditure I make to maintain the aircraft at the airport in an airworthy
condition. Admittedly, "airport expenditures" is rather abstract and might
go either way, but until it is more properly defined mighten it also cover
maintenance, hanger or tie down, and any other expense at the airport for
the aircraft? The CFR doesn't specifically say landing fee, or parking fee,
but it could have.

Please understand, I'm not advocating any fees or charges here. What I am
saying is that it should be up to the owner to decide what the hourly rate
is that the passenger would be splitting, not the passenger. That was the
whole point of my post and I believe I even said so in a previous note.

AOPA has numerous articles on the subject at
http://www.aopa.org/members/files/to...1-part135.html

From one of them:

Passengers on a flight with a pilot who was already planning to take the
trip for his own purposes can contribute equally with the pilot to the
direct operating costs of the flight. This includes the gas and oil used,
the landing fee, and the rental cost if the pilot does not own the aircraft.
Passengers may not contribute to the pilot's indirect expenses incurred
because of the flight, such as the airplane's annual inspection, oil changes,
or hangar rental. "These are rules that are broken daily by pilots and
passengers who do not realize that they are in violation," said Kathy Minner,
an AOPA aviation technical specialist. "Some pilots go their whole lives not
knowing, or call us after someone ? perhaps an FAA official ? raises the
question to them."

Sounds like they are describing you.

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Jim Pennino

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Jim Carter wrote:

And "airport expenditures" would be?

The ramp fees and landing fees associated with that flight.

I interpret that to mean any
expenditure I make to maintain the aircraft at the airport in an airworthy
condition.

And you would lose your certificate at the first hearing if violated.

Admittedly, "airport expenditures" is rather abstract and might
go either way, but until it is more properly defined mighten it also cover
maintenance, hanger or tie down, and any other expense at the airport for
the aircraft? The CFR doesn't specifically say landing fee, or parking fee,
but it could have.

The CFR says "operating expenses of a flight". That is not abstract and cannot "go
either way", especially in an FAA hearing.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.