Enola Gay Damaged at Air & Space Museum Opening

"plumb bob" wrote in message
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"John T" wrote in message
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message


(3,000 people, huh? You're more than a little bit off. nOr are you
saying that only 3,000 of the Hiroshima dead were innocent? See
www.warbirdforum.com/hirodead.htm )

No, he's linking the WTC atrocity (~3,000 dead) with Hiroshima.

Personally, I think you guys are just feeding a troll.

You win the prize... I am trolling. For those with a keen eye it should
have
been obvious. BTW, I think the bombing of Hiroshima was absolutely
necessary
to end the war, even though innocent civilians were killed.


There ARE NOT INNOCENT CIVILIANS in a nation that started an agressive war.
The blood of those that were NOT RESPONSIBLE for the war is on the hands of
those who WERE RESPONSIBLE.

Not to mention
the carpet bombing of civilian cities in Europe (Dresden was pretty bad)
to
weaken the resolve of the bad guys.

And knock out a bunch of German manufacturing that Germany put there BECAUSE
they figured the Allies would not bomb Dresden.

For the rest of you, get off your moral high horses. War is a dirty
business. Think about that for a change. Think about the millions of
soldiers who fought and won that war, and then go visit D.C. to find their
memorials. It is very disappointing that that generation is not properly
honored and remembered in my opinion. And you want to get upset that
someone
dented the Enola Gay???

Good up to the last line, then you use a rationalization that most parents
wouldn't accept from a four year old.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"plumb bob" wrote in message
For the rest of you, get off your moral high horses. War is a dirty
business. Think about that for a change. Think about the millions of
soldiers who fought and won that war, and then go visit D.C. to find
their
memorials. It is very disappointing that that generation is not properly
honored and remembered in my opinion. And you want to get upset that
someone dented the Enola Gay???

Good up to the last line, then you use a rationalization that most parents
wouldn't accept from a four year old.

Tell me how a dent in a heap of metal has any significance compared to what
happened to millions of people in the war. Then, you might have a case. Go
back and read the original post - the person who wrote the original post
behaved as if the sky was falling. These are just objects connected to
events of historical significance. The essence of the story is in the lives
of the people that lived and died in it, so we can enjoy the freedoms we
have today. All else is not very important in my opinion. Again, I find it
very disappointing that this generation is not better remembered. The FIRST
such national memorial will open on May 29, 2004 in Washington, D.C.... 59
years later.

www.wwiimemorial.com

Plumb Bob, straight up opinions.

plumb bob wrote:
Again, I find it
very disappointing that this generation is not better remembered.

You've got to be kidding. The WWII generation is the most remembered in
history. At any given time I can find a program on TV relating to WWII.
There have been more books written about WWII than any other. There
are numerous monuments relating to WWII in many places. Pearl Harbor
and the flag raising on Iwo Jima sculpture come to mind. Just because
there isn't a monument labelled for all WWII participants is a silly
argument. Besides it has been my experience that the harder it is to
get your monument erected in DC the more appreciated it is.

in article VxIEb.402384$Dw6.1250716@attbi_s02, Newps at
wrote on 12/19/03 11:43 AM:


plumb bob wrote:
Again, I find it
very disappointing that this generation is not better remembered.

You've got to be kidding. The WWII generation is the most remembered in
history. At any given time I can find a program on TV relating to WWII.
There have been more books written about WWII than any other. There
are numerous monuments relating to WWII in many places. Pearl Harbor
and the flag raising on Iwo Jima sculpture come to mind.

Thank you. I have often wondered why so many people cling to the absurd
notion that the WWII generation is "forgotten". Someone else in this thread
mentioned The History Channel--often called "The Hitlery Channel", since
it's pretty much all WWII all the time. There are numerous other examples,
from "Saving Private Ryan" to "Band of Brothers", to countless books. For
the record, I have no problem with any of that--I share the fascination with
that period of history, and I would certainly hope that it's never
forgotten.

"plumb bob" wrote in message
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have today. All else is not very important in my opinion. Again, I find it
very disappointing that this generation is not better remembered. The
FIRST
such national memorial will open on May 29, 2004 in Washington, D.C.... 59
years later.

Too bad is it's going to be the most egregious visual eye-sore perpetrated
on the national mall since WWII.

Too bad is it's going to be the most egregious visual eye-sore perpetrated
on the national mall since WWII.

That's EXACTLY what everyone said about the Viet Nam Veteran's Memorial,
before it opened.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

That's EXACTLY what everyone said about the Viet Nam Veteran's Memorial,
before it opened.

Probably said by the same sort of people who designed the WWII
memorial, and who later added the patrolling troopers (and even later
the nurse) to Maya Lin's magnificent sculpture.

There is only one Wall. I saw it one early morning before going to
work (I get up at five, which was always a problem when I was on the
road) and just stood there with tears running down my face.

The patrol had been added by that time. I rather liked the little
statues, as if these guys had just returned from an ambush and come
upon the bodies of 158,000 of their mates. That was before the nurse
came along. (Is she carrying a bedpan?) But the Wall would have been
just as good without them.

A Wall comes along only once in a century. There's no use hoping that
the WWII memorial or the Ground Zero thing will be in that class.


all the best -- Dan Ford
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Probably said by the same sort of people who designed the WWII
memorial, and who later added the patrolling troopers (and even later
the nurse) to Maya Lin's magnificent sculpture.

Well, I think it was a lot more commonly felt than that.

I know I thought it was a patently absurd design -- until I saw it complete.
The wall has a weight and drama that a mere drawing cannot hope to capture.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:36:54 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote:

as if these guys had just returned from an ambush and come
upon the bodies of 158,000 of their mates.

Oops! Fingers all thumbs. That should be 58,000, of course.


all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

"plumb bob" wrote in message
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Tell me how a dent in a heap of metal has any significance compared
to what happened to millions of people in the war.

That's not the point. You tell me why it's acceptable to vandalize an
historical artifact (of any type).

These are just objects connected to events of historical significance.

They deserve careful respect because of that connection - regardless of the
politics involved either then or now.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
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