OK, what the hell has happened to the Brits?

In article ,
('Vejita' S. Cousin) writes:


I think there are two issues in play. 1) No one is happy that the US
is basically issuing an order to other nations.

The US is not issuing an order, it is making the use of our airspace
conditional on providing some degree of security to guarantee their airplane
not be commandeered and turned into a missile for use on our people. No one is
compelled to fly their airplanes in our airspace and we are making no
requirement regarding flights not entering our airspace.

2) Most of the EU nations
(and people raises in them) are VERY anti-gun (to the point of being
afriad of guns, that is fear of the object itself).


I see no reason for the US to cater to the mental diseases of Europeans. And
fear of an inanimate object carried by an officer of the law *is* delusional.

What the hell happened to the people who won the Battle of Britain?

Don


--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote:

What the hell happened to the people who won the Battle of Britain?

Are you saying those who do not carry guns are afraid, and those
carrying guns brave? It seems the other way round to me.

In article , Andrew Rowley
writes:

(Wdtabor) wrote:

What the hell happened to the people who won the Battle of Britain?

Are you saying those who do not carry guns are afraid, and those
carrying guns brave? It seems the other way round to me.



Those who will defend their lives and those of others are brave and those who
depend on the good will of monsters or the bravery of others for their safety
are cowards.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

On 30 Dec 2003 20:16:01 GMT, Wdtabor wrote:

2) Most of the EU nations
(and people raises in them) are VERY anti-gun (to the point of being
afriad of guns, that is fear of the object itself).


I see no reason for the US to cater to the mental diseases of Europeans. And

what is the mental disease here? I can't follow you there.
Or do you mean you are only sane when carrying a weapon?

fear of an inanimate object carried by an officer of the law *is* delusional.

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it (!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in my car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid beeing too
close to cops carrying a weapon.

What the hell happened to the people who won the Battle of Britain?

they awakend?

#m
--
harsh regulations in North Korea (read below link after reading the story):
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/04/open-mikulan.php
oooops ... sorry ... it happened in the USA, ya know: the land of the free.

In article , Martin Hotze
writes:


I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it (!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in my car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid beeing too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


That works only so long as you do not encounter anyone who doesn't care what
you decide. But from that point on, you are either his slave or dead.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it (!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in my car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid beeing too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


What do you do when those that carry guns don't give a damn what you decide?

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:15:33 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it (!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in my car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid beeing too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


What do you do when those that carry guns don't give a damn what you decide?



aaahh! now comes logic from cold war. Give everybody a nuke, but give me
one nuke more than him.

or: ... Zombie (The Cranberries)

to your question: so I should arm myself and my family and first shoot,
then ask? I don't want to life in such a world. Thank you.

#m

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harsh regulations in North Korea (read below link after reading the story):
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/04/open-mikulan.php
oooops ... sorry ... it happened in the USA, ya know: the land of the free.

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...

to your question: so I should arm myself and my family and first shoot,
then ask? I don't want to life in such a world. Thank you.


Well, you'll probably get your wish.

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:15:33 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it (!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in my
car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid beeing
too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


What do you do when those that carry guns don't give a damn what you
decide?



aaahh! now comes logic from cold war. Give everybody a nuke, but give me
one nuke more than him.

Seems to have worked out pretty well, no?


or: ... Zombie (The Cranberries)


How profound.

to your question: so I should arm myself and my family and first shoot,
then ask? I don't want to life in such a world. Thank you.


Too late; you already do. Now please tell me the logic in depending on the
goodwill of the lawless and criminal to respect your pascifism. It really
seems to have worked like a charm in the UK where soon after banning
firearms alltogether, gun related crimes went sky-high.

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:15:33 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it
(!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in my
car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid beeing
too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


What do you do when those that carry guns don't give a damn what you
decide?



aaahh! now comes logic from cold war. Give everybody a nuke, but give me
one nuke more than him.

Seems to have worked out pretty well, no?


or: ... Zombie (The Cranberries)


How profound.

to your question: so I should arm myself and my family and first shoot,
then ask? I don't want to life in such a world. Thank you.


Too late; you already do. Now please tell me the logic in depending on the
goodwill of the lawless and criminal to respect your pascifism. It really
seems to have worked like a charm in the UK where soon after banning
firearms alltogether, gun related crimes went sky-high.

It is all relative and with hand guns being outlawed completely possessing a
gun became a crime. With gun crime being so low any increase looks big.

Funnily enough gun related crime tends to be restricted to the criminals
shooting each other not the public. The main problems in London tend to be
Russian mafia against Albanian mafia, blacks against blacks (Yardies), drug
dealers against drug dealers.
What we don't get are kids killing each other by accident because Dad left
his gun lying about and we don't get wacko kids going into school blasting
everyone in sight and we don't get guys sniping away at the public either.

The police here take a firm view with anyone with what looks like a gun.
They shoot them. The assumption is that as there can be no lawful purpose to
be waving a gun around then shooting dead someone with a gun who refuses to
surrender is legitimate.
Therefore the only ones who need to worry are the nuts who like guns and
criminals. Even a toy gun risks getting the holder shot if the police are
uncertain of the weapon.
Thank fully our police tend to finish gun business with the odd bullet
rather than a shootout.

There was a hostage situation in London last Christmas where the gunman held
a hostage for a week and after he released the hostage the gunman continued
to resist the police. After a couple of more days and with the threat of him
setting fire to the premises the police shot him with one bullet to the
head.

Its that type of police officer I would like as a sky marshal, someone with
restraint and control as well as skill and judgement.

Unfortunately there are probably not enough to go around.