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Old February 17th 04, 09:32 PM
Jay Smith
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Dennis O'Connor wrote:
Have you flown an aircraft with the door off, before this?


Yes. Skydiving operations. Cherokee Six (rear and baggage doors removed)
and Cessna 180 (right cabin door removed), Cessna 182 (right cabin door
removed).
I do not recall what the limitations are, so I was hoping there was a
website where they could be found. I know there are some oil canning
issues in flight with the door(s) removed on some aircraft.

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Old February 17th 04, 10:05 PM
Ron Natalie
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"Jay Smith" wrote in message news
I do not recall what the limitations are, so I was hoping there was a
website where they could be found. I know there are some oil canning
issues in flight with the door(s) removed on some aircraft.


The limitations are whatever the authority you have to remove the door is.
As pointed out, it must be supported by the original operating limitations, or
through an STC or special approval.

The fact that certain jump zones operate illegally is not surprising...a crash here
in 1975 was attributed to bogus W&B info from unauthorized skydiving mods
to a Queen Air including seat and door removal.

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Old February 18th 04, 02:02 AM
Dale
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In article ,
"Ron Natalie" wrote:


The fact that certain jump zones operate illegally is not surprising...a
crash here
in 1975 was attributed to bogus W&B info from unauthorized skydiving mods
to a Queen Air including seat and door removal.


Geez, that was almost 30 years ago...you still make assumptions on
something that happened that long ago? Skydiving, like ANY aviation
operation, has it's bad eggs but I'm confident that you would find the
vast majority operate legal, safe airplanes.

You sure it was a Queen Air. I can't find the accident in the NTSB
database. I fly jumpers and I like to see what has caught other pilots
so that it doesn't catch me.

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Old February 18th 04, 03:54 PM
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Dale wrote:

Geez, that was almost 30 years ago...


No, it wasn't. It was about five years back, IIRC.

George Patterson
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Old February 18th 04, 06:02 PM
Dale
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

Dale wrote:

Geez, that was almost 30 years ago...


No, it wasn't. It was about five years back, IIRC.


Okay, I'm in Alaska so it's a different time zone..maybe that's it. He
said 1975, up here that's closer to 30 years than 5 years. G

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Old February 18th 04, 07:29 PM
Nigel T Peart
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Gee wizz Dale, you fly jumpers door off in Alaska? Thats cold and maybe
brave!
I jump-pilot in South Africa, and we've got in-flight doors, and we think
it's cold!
Nigel


Okay, I'm in Alaska so it's a different time zone..maybe that's it. He
said 1975, up here that's closer to 30 years than 5 years. G

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There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html



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Old February 18th 04, 08:04 PM
Dale
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"Nigel T Peart" wrote:

Gee wizz Dale, you fly jumpers door off in Alaska? Thats cold and maybe
brave!
I jump-pilot in South Africa, and we've got in-flight doors, and we think
it's cold!
Nigel


In-flight door.

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as simply messing around with airplanes.

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Old February 18th 04, 11:36 PM
G.R. Patterson III
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Dale wrote:

Okay, I'm in Alaska so it's a different time zone..maybe that's it. He
said 1975, up here that's closer to 30 years than 5 years. G


I expect that's a typo - probably 1995. A Queen Air went into a house down near
Ron about five years ago carrying jumpers. The news had something about W&B, the
number of people on board (something like 18 jumpers), and the fact that it wasn't
supposed to be flying without a door.

George Patterson
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you look forward to the trip.
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Old February 18th 04, 11:43 PM
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ...


Dale wrote:

Okay, I'm in Alaska so it's a different time zone..maybe that's it. He
said 1975, up here that's closer to 30 years than 5 years. G


I expect that's a typo - probably 1995. A Queen Air went into a house down near
Ron about five years ago carrying jumpers.


George is right. 1995. It was a typo. I wasn't even living in Virginia in '75.

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Old February 19th 04, 08:04 AM
Dale
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In article ,
"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:


I expect that's a typo - probably 1995. A Queen Air went into a house down
near
Ron about five years ago carrying jumpers. The news had something about W&B,
the
number of people on board (something like 18 jumpers), and the fact that it
wasn't
supposed to be flying without a door.



Thought maybe so...I remember the one in '95.

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as simply messing around with airplanes.

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