Bush Prepares for Possible GPS Shutdown

G,

I agree that GA is screwed here - but not because of pride. Just plain
dumbness.

As for Galileo, well, I used to think it was stupid European pride. In
fact, you'll probably find posts by me through Google, where I'm saying
what a waste of money it is to reinvent the wheel for the benefit of
EADS on the bill of the EU tax payer.

Then, along comes Baby-Bush announcing he might just switch GPS off at
his rather dangerous and illogical whim. All of a sudden, Galileo makes
a lot more sense. Sadly.

Also, as I mentioned earlier, I have to wonder about the practicality.
A huge part of emergency response and police forces rely heavily on GPS
to do their thing. In all probability, MORE harm would be done by
switching off GPS after or during a GPS based attack.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:03:49 +0100, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

Then, along comes Baby-Bush announcing he might just switch GPS off at
his rather dangerous and illogical whim. All of a sudden, Galileo makes
a lot more sense. Sadly.

If you are talking about the recent announcement concerning the GPS system,
upon which this thread is based, your impression of that announcement is at
odds the impression of AOPA.

Do you think AOPA's interpretation is incorrect?


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Ron,

Do you think AOPA's interpretation is incorrect?


I don't know. All I notice is that AOPA seems to be the only voice
interpreting it this way.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:47:46 +0100, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

Ron,

Do you think AOPA's interpretation is incorrect?


I don't know. All I notice is that AOPA seems to be the only voice
interpreting it this way.

Perhaps you should read the report itself

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...pace_facts.pdf

and make your own interpretation, instead of relying on various news
services whose record of accuracy, with regard to aviation matters, has
been less than stellar.

You should also put the document in context with what has been going on in
the past.

I have no doubt that news services no longer just report the news. Rather
they interpret it according to their own agendas. I believe that is what
you are seeing here.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

It would be interesting to see the differences between the one this
replaced and the current one. It was very interesting reading though
and I think this is another one of the news media's ways of creating
as much panic as possible. There has always been a policy and plan to
shut off GPS availability to keep hostile forces from using it. Yes
Clinton did shut off the degradation portion of it because there was
so much stuff available to correct for it. Even then he did reserve
the right to turn it back on whenever he wanted or it was deemed that
it was needed. Most of what I seen in this was dealing with the
possibility of the system being jammed to where it can't be used in
it's present form. Yes it did mention that it could be denied in
areas of military operations "Deny to adversaries position,
navigation, and timing services from the Global
Positioning System, its augmentations, and/or any other space-based
position,
navigation, and timing systems without unduly disrupting civil,
commercial, and
scientific uses of these services outside an area of military
operations, or for
homeland security purposes; and..." I could be wrong but I do believe
there will be a "TFR" for the military area and you probably wouldn't
want to be flying in that area any way!

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:54:09 -0500, Ron Rosenfeld
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:47:46 +0100, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

Ron,

Do you think AOPA's interpretation is incorrect?


I don't know. All I notice is that AOPA seems to be the only voice
interpreting it this way.

Perhaps you should read the report itself

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...pace_facts.pdf

and make your own interpretation, instead of relying on various news
services whose record of accuracy, with regard to aviation matters, has
been less than stellar.

You should also put the document in context with what has been going on in
the past.

I have no doubt that news services no longer just report the news. Rather
they interpret it according to their own agendas. I believe that is what
you are seeing here.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

"Sully" wrote in message
...
It would be interesting to see the differences between the one this
replaced and the current one. It was very interesting reading though
and I think this is another one of the news media's ways of creating
as much panic as possible. There has always been a policy and plan to
shut off GPS availability to keep hostile forces from using it. Yes
Clinton did shut off the degradation portion of it because there was
so much stuff available to correct for it. Even then he did reserve
the right to turn it back on whenever he wanted or it was deemed that
it was needed. Most of what I seen in this was dealing with the
possibility of the system being jammed to where it can't be used in
it's present form. Yes it did mention that it could be denied in
areas of military operations "Deny to adversaries position,
navigation, and timing services from the Global
Positioning System, its augmentations, and/or any other space-based
position,
navigation, and timing systems without unduly disrupting civil,
commercial, and
scientific uses of these services outside an area of military
operations, or for
homeland security purposes; and..." I could be wrong but I do believe
there will be a "TFR" for the military area and you probably wouldn't
want to be flying in that area any way!

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:54:09 -0500, Ron Rosenfeld
wrote:

GPS has had localized areas shut down in the past for various reasons. This
whole thing is nothing new and is not worth a mention.

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 05:13:43 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote in ::

This whole thing is nothing new and is not worth a mention.

Apparently, what's new is the fact, that GPS shutdown decisions will
now include the DOT as well as the DOD.

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Then, along comes Baby-Bush announcing he might just switch GPS off at
his rather dangerous and illogical whim.

Which he did *not* do. In fact, he just signed a bill which orders the military
to keep it available for civilian use. See
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...1216space.html

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

G.R.,

See
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...1216space.html


I saw. And I saw
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...21290001739682
&dt=20041215212900&w=APO&coview=

My point is this: While all of us probably knew that switching GPS off
was always an option, making it policy gives fuel to the Galileo
proponents.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...

My point is this: While all of us probably knew that switching GPS off
was always an option, making it policy gives fuel to the Galileo
proponents.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

That would be a good thing. Let's have europe pull it's own weight for ONCE!

Karl