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Jerry Springer wrote:
Corky Scott wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2005 15:57:02 GMT, Anthony W
wrote:


No, I'm sure it has more to do with the guy that wrote a environmental
book full of junk science and said he invented the Internet.

Tony


Tony, do you understand what Gore actually did regarding the internet,
or do you just parrot this old myth because it's sounds like such a
great line?

Corky Scott


http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue5_10/wiggins/


http://www.sethf.com/gore/



More information than anyone would ever want to know about Al Gore and
the internet.

Jerry

Larry Roberts was the inventor of the internet with his INTERface
Message Processor. This is where the name for the internet began.
Though the Military called it officially as the ARPANET, it has been
called the internet since its inception in 1969. What Gore sponsored
was an early version of the Web. Obviously he didn't have a clue as to
what his in this bill as he didn't enven know the proper name.

On 31 May 2005 05:40:01 -0700, "Sport Pilot"
wrote:

Larry Roberts was the inventor of the internet with his INTERface
Message Processor. This is where the name for the internet began.
Though the Military called it officially as the ARPANET, it has been
called the internet since its inception in 1969. What Gore sponsored
was an early version of the Web. Obviously he didn't have a clue as to
what his in this bill as he didn't enven know the proper name.

Thank you for this information "Sport Pilot" but my point wasn't who
literally invented the internet, it was that Gore has been unfairly
characterized as having claimed he had done so. In fact he never said
that, but some people love to hate him so that they continue to throw
out that quote anyway. It played well in the conservative talk shows.

Corky Scott

Corky Scott wrote:
On 31 May 2005 05:40:01 -0700, "Sport Pilot"
wrote:

Larry Roberts was the inventor of the internet with his INTERface
Message Processor. This is where the name for the internet began.
Though the Military called it officially as the ARPANET, it has been
called the internet since its inception in 1969. What Gore sponsored
was an early version of the Web. Obviously he didn't have a clue as to
what his in this bill as he didn't enven know the proper name.

Thank you for this information "Sport Pilot" but my point wasn't who
literally invented the internet, it was that Gore has been unfairly
characterized as having claimed he had done so. In fact he never said
that, but some people love to hate him so that they continue to throw
out that quote anyway. It played well in the conservative talk shows.

Corky Scott

Gore said he "took the inititive to invent the internet". Which means
he claimed he invented the internet. Thing is he was confused about
exactly what he did take initive on. Not only was he dishonest, he was
stupid, he never was able to explain what he was talking about.

On 31 May 2005 07:05:48 -0700, "Sport Pilot"
wrote:

Gore said he "took the inititive to invent the internet". Which means
he claimed he invented the internet. Thing is he was confused about
exactly what he did take initive on. Not only was he dishonest, he was
stupid, he never was able to explain what he was talking about.

"Snopes.com" explains it best:

Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the
Internet.

Status: False.

Origins: Despite the derisive references that continue even today,
Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say
anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The "Al Gore
said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs were misleading,
out-of-context distortions of something he said during an interview
with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999.
When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for
the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New
Jersey, Gore replied (in part):
During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative
in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a
whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our
country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements
in our educational system.

Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and perhaps
self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in
the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was
responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the
development the I also invented the microphone technology that we now
know as the Internet. To claim that Gore was seriously trying to take
credit for the "invention" of the Internet is, frankly, just silly
political posturing that arose out of a close presidential campaign.
Gore never used the word "invent," and the words "create" and "invent"
have distinctly different meanings — the former is used in the sense
of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is
generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up
or implementing an idea. (To those who say the words "create" and
"invent" mean exactly the same thing, we have to ask why, then, the
media overwhelmingly and consistently cited Gore as having claimed he
"invented" the Internet, even though he never used that word, and
transcripts of what he actually said were readily available.)

If President Eisenhower had said in the mid-1960s that he, while
President, "created" the Interstate Highway System, we would not have
seen dozens and dozens of editorials lampooning him for claiming he
"invented" the concept of highways or implying that he personally went
out and dug ditches across the country to help build the roadway.
Everyone would have understood that Ike meant he was a driving force
behind the legislation that created the highway system, and this was
the very same concept Al Gore was expressing about himself with his
Internet statement.

Again, thanks to Snopes.com for the above comment.

Corky Scott

The people is obviously bias. I see no diferance in saying "I invented
the internet" and "I took the initiative to create the internet".
Since he was obviously talking about creating a single internet network
or line, as with a highway system, to create and invent is the same
thing. You cannot create something that does not exist if not
invented. You cannot invent without creating something. They are only
differant when talking a smaller scale. You can create a new canopener
that has been made before, but you can only invent it if it had not
been made, but in so doing you will have created one unit. Since the
internet is a new system the words have the same meaning.

The arguement about President Eisenhower is moot because he never said
it. Since Eisenhower actually had a head on his shouders I doubt he
would have made such a gaffe. If so he would have been able to explain
it. Gore didn't seem to have a clue that his legislation was about the
Web, and that the internet had been invented almost two decades before
his legislation.

On 31 May 2005 11:28:59 -0700, "Sport Pilot"
wrote:

The arguement about President Eisenhower is moot because he never said
it. Since Eisenhower actually had a head on his shouders I doubt he
would have made such a gaffe. If so he would have been able to explain
it. Gore didn't seem to have a clue that his legislation was about the
Web, and that the internet had been invented almost two decades before
his legislation.

Sport Pilot, you must have read the explanation a little bit too
quickly, the Eisenhower comment was meant as a comparison, not a
statement of fact.

Here's the statement:

"If President Eisenhower had said in the mid-1960s that he, while
President, "created" the Interstate Highway System, we would not have
seen dozens and dozens of editorials lampooning him for claiming he
"invented" the concept of highways or implying that he personally went
out and dug ditches across the country to help build the roadway.
Everyone would have understood that Ike meant he was a driving force
behind the legislation that created the highway system, and this was
the very same concept Al Gore was expressing about himself with his
Internet statement. "

The last sentence makes the comparison, it means that Gore was
intending to say that he supported the development of the internet
when it needed support. Granted it was tooting his own horn a bit but
that's what politicians do, and he was after all in a race for
nomination as president of the USA.

Once it got subverted by the talkshow's though, it became conservative
gospel that Al Gore was caught bragging he'd invented the internet.
And he did not say that.

Corky Scott

"Corky Scott" wrote in message
...
On 31 May 2005 11:28:59 -0700, "Sport Pilot"
wrote:

The arguement about President Eisenhower is moot because he never said
it. Since Eisenhower actually had a head on his shouders I doubt he
would have made such a gaffe. If so he would have been able to explain
it. Gore didn't seem to have a clue that his legislation was about the
Web, and that the internet had been invented almost two decades before
his legislation.

Sport Pilot, you must have read the explanation a little bit too
quickly, the Eisenhower comment was meant as a comparison, not a
statement of fact.

Here's the statement:

"If President Eisenhower had said in the mid-1960s that he, while
President, "created" the Interstate Highway System, we would not have
seen dozens and dozens of editorials lampooning him for claiming he
"invented" the concept of highways or implying that he personally went
out and dug ditches across the country to help build the roadway.
Everyone would have understood that Ike meant he was a driving force
behind the legislation that created the highway system, and this was
the very same concept Al Gore was expressing about himself with his
Internet statement. "

The last sentence makes the comparison, it means that Gore was
intending to say that he supported the development of the internet
when it needed support. Granted it was tooting his own horn a bit but
that's what politicians do, and he was after all in a race for
nomination as president of the USA.

Once it got subverted by the talkshow's though, it became conservative
gospel that Al Gore was caught bragging he'd invented the internet.
And he did not say that.

Corky Scott


First, Eisenhower was President when the interstate highway system was
funded and his direct intervention in the political process had a lot to do
with it.

Gore was a Senator long after the Internet had been created and I have yet
to hear what bill he sponsored or even voted for though I'm sure several
went through the Senate during his terms in office.

Let's say for a moment he did sponsor or vote for a bill that did something
to help the Internet grow. I'm sure he also during his time in the Senate
voted for a highway bill. Does that make it an honest statment for him to
say "He helped create the Interstate system"?

Corkey,
I understood the explaination about Eisenhower, however it is not an
excuse for lying. But it is moot because he never said that. If he
had you most likely would have seen the left wing making fun of him,
since he didn't say it you cannot prove that they would not have. But
one thing is for sure he wouldn't have said that he invented paved
roads, which is tantamount to what Gore said. If he had you could be
sure he would have been ridiculed and laughed at.

The point about Gore is that he claimed to start legislation to create
the internet. But the legislation did nothing to create a sysetem
already in use two decades before the legislation came out.

IMO Gore meant to say he created the World Wide Web. Which would be
another lie, but at least he wouldn't have been as stupid.

Sport Pilot wrote:
The people is obviously bias. I see no diferance in saying "I invented
the internet" and "I took the initiative to create the internet".

That is because you do not understand, or choose to misrepresent,
plain English.

Since he was obviously talking about creating a single internet network
or line, as with a highway system, to create and invent is the same
thing.

No, he was obviously talking about taking the initiative in moving
forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important
to our country's economic growth and environmental protection,
improvements in our educational system.

Why is that obvious? Becuase tht is just what he said, that's why.

--

FF

"Corky Scott" wrote ...
"Snopes.com" explains it best:

Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the
Internet.

Status: False.
snip
Gore never used the word "invent," and the words "create" and "invent"
have distinctly different meanings - the former is used in the sense
of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is
generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up
or implementing an idea.

So it's a matter of what the definition of 'is' is ... I mean 'create' is.
Exactly what, if anything, did Gore do to 'create' the internet?

Rich