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Old June 30th 05, 06:28 PM
Peter R.
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Marco Leon mmleonyahoo.com wrote:

If it was for weather, it would seem kind of odd for him to
do that. Usually an aircraft with weather issues is left in the IFR system.


Assuming the conditions allow, the pilot(s) can have much greater
flexibility to deviate around thunderstorms when VFR.

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Old June 30th 05, 08:10 PM
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Peter R. wrote:
Marco Leon mmleonyahoo.com wrote:
If it was for weather, it would seem kind of odd for him to
do that. Usually an aircraft with weather issues is left in the IFR system.


Assuming the conditions allow, the pilot(s) can have much greater
flexibility to deviate around thunderstorms when VFR.


There was definitely a line of severe storms oriented east-west and moving
south through the ADIZ at around the time he busted it. I suspect he got
caught between the storm and the ADIZ boundary and clipped the edge while
avoiding the storm.

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Old July 1st 05, 03:27 AM
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"Peter R." wrote in message
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Marco Leon mmleonyahoo.com wrote:

If it was for weather, it would seem kind of odd for him to
do that. Usually an aircraft with weather issues is left in the IFR
system.


Assuming the conditions allow, the pilot(s) can have much greater
flexibility to deviate around thunderstorms when VFR.

--
Peter


Really? I thought the procedure was to tell the controller: "N12345 is
deviating north around convective activity" and let the controller sort it
out. In the end, it is the pilot's responsibility to manage the safety of
his craft, not the controller's...


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Old July 1st 05, 05:01 AM
Peter R.
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Kyle Boatright wrote:

Really? I thought the procedure was to tell the controller: "N12345 is
deviating north around convective activity" and let the controller sort it
out. In the end, it is the pilot's responsibility to manage the safety of
his craft, not the controller's...


That certainly is true. However, just today, while listening to the
Detroit LiveATC.net feed when a severe thunderstorm line moved over the
airport (about 12:00 Eastern Time), I overheard the following exchange:

"Detroit Approach, Northwest XXX needs to deviate right off the approach
for weather. We're about to fly into heavy precipitation."

"Negative, Northwest XXX, I need you on that heading. There are numerous
aircraft off to your right."

"Roger, Northwest XXX."

I was surprised to hear the pilot agree to remain on the heading, but
perhaps he surmised that the turbulence of level 3-4 weather was safer than
turning into a swarm of aircraft?

To your point, though, there are numerous strategies for avoiding t-storms
and one viable strategy is to cancel IFR and fly under the greater freedom
of VFR, especially in very congested airspace.

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