Raptor vs Eagle

"john smith" wrote in message
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So where can I find out how F-15/F-16/F-18 do against MiG-29, Su-31,
Mirage, Eurofighter, Griffon?

The USAF has a base out west someplace where they compete against them.
Might be the "Top Gun" school.

Top Gun is Navy and the base is in the desert now, no longer at Miramar.

USAF used to be Red Flag at Nellis.

AFAIK, it still is...

There is usually a Red Flag cycle underway when we are up at the Las Vegsas
Motor Speedway in March for NASCAR.

Can't hardly stay in the TV truck for the impromptu airshow going on
overhead not to mention our cameras on the pressbox roof get a great veiw of
the Nellis ramp and runways.

The Thunderbirds usually will do some flybys as well.

This past spring, we were treated to the sight of not one, not two but three
B2s coming and going along with a seemingly endless string of F15s, F16s,
B1s, A10s, KC135s/10s and even a British Nimrod, some F117s and a Navy EA6B.

Jay Beckman - PP/ASEL
Arizona Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

"W P Dixon" wrote

student Sport Pilot

Just yanking your chain....what's the "L" for?

Bob Moore

Recently, Icebound posted:

"W P Dixon" wrote in message
Hmmmm,
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As for the Raptor it is a kick butt aircraft,

We had one once sigh: (search google for "avro arrow").

But somebody told us to quit the program and cut up the six that
existed, for scrap. Probably because it was 20 years ahead of
anything *they* had at the time. So our aerospace program died
overnight, and most of the aerospace jobs and the aerospace brains
moved someplace else, guess where.

The nominal reason for the program shutdown was cost, but not too many
believe it.

There certainly seems to be more than one explanation for discontinuing
the Arrow program. According to the movie w/Dan Akroyd (yeah, I know), it
was brought down by a personal conflict between the Prime Minister and
Avro's leadership. It also suggested that the US bought the delta wing
technology of the Arrow for its F102 program. Who knows how much is true
vs. fiction?

Neil

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
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There certainly seems to be more than one explanation for discontinuing
the Arrow program. According to the movie w/Dan Akroyd (yeah, I know), it
was brought down by a personal conflict between the Prime Minister and
Avro's leadership. It also suggested that the US bought the delta wing
technology of the Arrow for its F102 program. Who knows how much is true
vs. fiction?


Well, since the Avro Arrow project was begun in 1953, the same year the
F-102 made it's first flight and five years after the F-102's precursor the
XF-92 made it's first flight, we know the part about the US buying the delta
wing technology of the Arrow for its F-102 program is pure fiction.

"Icebound" wrote in message
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As for the Raptor it is a kick butt aircraft,


We had one once sigh: (search google for "avro arrow").


Whose butt did the Avro Arrow kick?

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:


"gregg" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:

Well,

I don't see the problem. If this thing can take on 8 other aircraft,
then
it means the US needs fewer of them.

What was the ratio for the F-16 and F-18s?

Figure out the difference, and thats how many F-22s we need. Even if
they
do cost more.


That 8 to one ratio was not against planes of equal capability. You
cannot
count on the bad guys having planes only as capable as the F-15/F-16.


The 8-1 was against an F-15 that is at least as capable as anything anyone
else has and more capable than what we will probably up against.


Today, yes. But it won't always be so. I believe that in time there will be
other superpowers and they will be technologically equal - maybe even
superior.

Won't be right away. Which is exactly why I wonder if it's smart to buy
dozens of squadrons of F-22's. (I exxagerate the numbers but you get my
point I trust)


--
Saville

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Icebound wrote:


"Stubby" wrote in message
...
Blueskies wrote:
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There was an allusion to us all living together peacefully without war.
von Clausewicz wrote that war is the ultimate resolution of political
disputes. If you can figure a way to get rid of politics and
politicians, maybe we can avoid war, but I don't think that is possible.

Actually, it is the other way around. If you get *more* politicians
talking, you *avoid* war.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle8772.htm

Major (world) war is the result of backroom alliances, not political
rhetoric. The mentality that I ask my buddy to join me in a barroom brawl
no matter what, whether or not it is good for the bar, him, his family,
the neighbourhood, etc.

Politicians, even the woefully corrupt and inefficient United Nations,
usually manage to remain in a war of words instead of knives. Unless they
have allowed themselves to be seduced into using their forum for backroom
conspiracy instead of political argument.

Major (world) war will be averted only so long as nations grit their teeth
and abide within some global framework, bad as that may be, but
encouraging others to do likewise.

When nations claim to be somehow above that, and act unilaterally, others
are also encouraged to do likewise.

You may be right...in that "I don't think its possible..." to avoid
"wars".
But the goal has to be to avoid *world* wars. We managed to avoid that
for the past sixty years...

What has changed to have us be sliding into it at this very moment?




the oil situation, for one thing. Increasing demand from China and India.
Fairly level production levels forom the ME.


--
Saville

Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html

Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm

Steambending FAQ with photos:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:


"Bob Moore" wrote in message
. 121...
"W P Dixon" wrote
Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

Patrick, just what is a "student SPL"?

Bob Moore


He's training for his LSA.


I hate TLA's ;^)


--
Saville

Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html

Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm

Steambending FAQ with photos:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm

Just yanking your chain....what's the "L" for?

Light as in "Light Sport Aircraft", I'd guess.

Ben Hallert
PP-ASEL

Or dare we say license!!!!!!!! HAHAHA I just had to!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Ben Hallert" wrote in message
oups.com...
Just yanking your chain....what's the "L" for?

Light as in "Light Sport Aircraft", I'd guess.

Ben Hallert
PP-ASEL