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October 26th 05, 05:12 PM
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Under the heading of Truly Weird
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:05:05 GMT, "Jay Honeck" wrote in 5aL7f.472413$x96.177672@attbi_s72:: Like, why was he allowing his son -- apparently not a pilot -- to fly an unregistered aircraft? The son was not a minor. I know what you mean but, the aircraft was apparently owned by the father so unless you have reason to believe the son stole it the father did, in fact, ALLOW his son to fly it. 
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October 26th 05, 07:00 PM
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Under the heading of Truly Weird
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:12:45 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in C1N7f.11353$Ix3.8953@dukeread05:: "Larry Dighera" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:05:05 GMT, "Jay Honeck" wrote in 5aL7f.472413$x96.177672@attbi_s72:: Like, why was he allowing his son -- apparently not a pilot -- to fly an unregistered aircraft? The son was not a minor. I know what you mean but, the aircraft was apparently owned by the father so unless you have reason to believe the son stole it the father did, in fact, ALLOW his son to fly it. Given "Mark and his other son were watching."*, perhaps that's true. The "facts" presented by the news media in this case leave a lot to be desired. "Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) officials say the victim had an expired pilot's license."* Donn Walker of the FAA's Los Angeles regional office said that the victim had neither a pilot's license nor a valid student pilot's certificate** A search of FAA certification data yields: https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airm...niqid=A4254954 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FAA Registry Name Inquiry Results -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JACOB ADAM LUNDELL Address: Street 6341 N MOCKINGBIRD LN City PARADISE VALLEY State ARIZONA County MARICOPA Zip Code 85253-5313 Country UNITED STATES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Medical: Medical Class : Third Medical Date: 03/2001 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CertIficates 1 of 1 DOI : 03/05/2001 CertIficate: STUDENT PILOT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So the question seems to be, why would a 21 year old Student Pilot with an expired Medical Certificate choose to fly an unregistered aircraft as his father and brother watched? But this gets curiouser; there is an interesting aspect to the aircraft registration (or lack thereof): http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/nnum...umbertxt=22532 FAA Registry N-Number Inquiry Results -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- N22532 is Assigned Assigned/Registered Aircraft Aircraft Description Serial Number 54 Type Registration Individual Manufacturer Name NORD Certificate Issue Date None Model 3202 Status In Question Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating Pending Number Change None Dealer No Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50373160 MFR Year 1961 Fractional Owner NO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registered Owner Name SALE REPORTED Street PO BOX 835 City THATCHER State ARIZONA Zip Code 85253 County MARICOPA Country UNITED STATES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Airworthiness Engine Manufacturer AMA/EXPR Classification Experimental Engine Model UNKNOWN ENG Category Exhibition A/W Date 08/29/1980 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Owner Names SOLD TO FOOTE DEBORAH A Street 6341 N MOCKINGBIRD LN City PARADISE VALLEY State ARIZONA Zip Code 85253 County MARICOPA Country UNITED STATES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Temporary Certificate None -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It appears the owner of the aircraft resides at the same address as the victim. It would appear that Ms. Foote also has two other aircraft registered in her name: http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/nnum...umbertxt=500AM FAA Registry N-Number Inquiry Results ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- N500AM is Assigned Assigned/Registered Aircraft Aircraft Description Serial Number 6501 Type Registration Individual Manufacturer Name BEECH Certificate Issue Date 11/12/1993 Model AT-11 Status Valid Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Multi-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating Pending Number Change None Dealer No Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 51434774 MFR Year 1941 Fractional Owner NO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registered Owner Name FOOTE DEBORAH A Street 6341 N MOCKINGBIRD LN City PARADISE VALLEY State ARIZONA Zip Code 85253 County MARICOPA Country UNITED STATES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Airworthiness Engine Manufacturer P&W Classification Experimental Engine Model R-985 SERIES Category Research and Development A/W Date 05/19/1981 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/nnum...umbertxt=3253K FAA Registry N-Number Inquiry Results -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- N3253K is Assigned Assigned/Registered Aircraft Aircraft Description Serial Number 1246 Type Registration Individual Manufacturer Name GLOBE Certificate Issue Date 10/31/1991 Model GC-1B Status Undel Tri Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating Pending Number Change None Dealer No Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50701656 MFR Year 1946 Fractional Owner NO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registered Owner Name FOOTE DEBORAH A Street PO BOX 835 City THATCHER State ARIZONA Zip Code 85552 County GRAHAM Country UNITED STATES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Airworthiness Engine Manufacturer CONT MOTOR Classification Standard Engine Model IO-360 SER Category Normal A/W Date 07/12/1979 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But there is no record for Ms. Foote in the Airman's database. However, the victim's father has been issued an airman's certificate: https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airm...niqid=A1159048 FAA Registry Name Inquiry Results -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MARK WARREN LUNDELL Address Address is not available -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Medical Medical Class : Third Medical Date: 10/2000 MUST HAVE AVAILABLE GLASSES FOR NEAR VISION. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CertIficates 1 of 1 DOI : 09/24/1990 CertIficate: COMMERCIAL PILOT Rating(s): COMMERCIAL PILOT AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND Limits CARRYING PASSENGERS IN AIRPLANES FOR HIRE IS PROHIBITED AT NIGHT AND ON CROSS-COUNTRY FLIGHTS OF MORE THAN 50 NAUTICAL MILES. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is also a record for another airman by the name of Lundell with an address near the victim: https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airm...niqid=A4373665 FAA Registry Name Inquiry Results -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DONALD ALLAN FOOTE Address Street PO BOX 145 City ARLINGTON State ARIZONA County MARICOPA Zip Code 85322-0145 Country UNITED STATES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Medical Medical Class : Third Medical Date: 12/2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CertIficates 1 of 1 DOI : 12/09/2002 CertIficate: STUDENT PILOT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The more one researches this mishap, the curiouser it becomes. "Local police say they did not violate any laws, but the National Transportation Safety Board says it is against federal law to remove anything from the scene of a plane crash."* "Walker said the FAA is investigating possible federal violations, including the removal of the body from the crash site."** "There are several Arizona statutes that address such situations. One requires that human body cannot be removed from the scene of a suspicious death unless a county medical examiner gives permission."** "Andrea Esquer, a spokeswoman for the Arizona Attorney General's Office, would not comment on the state's position, pending the outcome of the probe by U.S. authorities."** Why would enforcement of the state law be affected by the FAA's investigation of possible federal violations? Is it a case of who has jurisdiction? "Deborah Lundell told Channel 3 (KTVK) that her husband brought their son's body home because "he knew my grieving, he knew my heartache; he knew I needed to see him before they took him away." Mark Lundell did the right thing in allowing the family to say goodbye, she told the TV station."** It appears the victim's mother was named Deborah, just like the person to whom the apparent accident aircraft was reported sold. * http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=4022990&nav=23Ku ** http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...necrash25.html
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#3
October 26th 05, 09:16 PM
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Under the heading of Truly Weird
("Larry Dighera" wrote)
But this gets curiouser; there is an interesting aspect to the aircraft registration (or lack thereof): http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/nnum...umbertxt=22532 FAA Registry N-Number Inquiry Results -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- N22532 is Assigned Assigned/Registered Aircraft Serial Number 54 Manufacturer Name NORD Model 3202 Status In Question Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine MFR Year 1961 http://ajbs.com/Anglais/MuseeGB/Nord-3202-UKHtml/Nord-3202-History-UK.htm Nord 3202 http://www.ukskies.co.uk/index.htm?http://www.ukskies.co.uk/N/pages/Nord%20-%203202.htm Nord 3202 http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Malet/2974.htm Nord 3202 MontBlackHelpingEncyclopediaBrown
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#4
October 27th 05, 04:19 AM
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Under the heading of Truly Weird
Larry Dighera wrote:
Why would enforcement of the state law be affected by the FAA's investigation of possible federal violations? Is it a case of who has jurisdiction? In many cases, the State will not bother prosecuting if the Federal government intends to. Saves them money. This was frequently the case in Georgia when I lived there. George Patterson Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor. It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.
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