Some bad controllers

I think that the big lesson here, that we can all learn from is not to
accept a descent that puts one amongst the clouds until an IFR clearance is
issued.

Mike
MU-2


"Jeff" wrote in message
...
actually there was a RJ departing, I saw him pop up over the clouds,
there was
a 172 at 2000 ft wanting 5000 but was told to turn towards carefree or
stay VFR,
his choice and there was a archer shooting approaches into IWA, 4 navy
planes
departed IWA to the south 30 minutes after I landed and oh ya, the guy who
made
me have to dive to 5000 because the airspace was so congestested.

I am not saying any controller in class B airspace is not busy, I am sure
they
are.
but so busy to the point where they cannot handle any more arrivals, even
a slow
airplane like mine.

I have a pretty good idea how to do this flying stuff. But as I said, I
will
plan my flights into phoenix differently the next time and get any
clearance I
need from ABQ.




Mike Rapoport wrote:

Yeah, I was sitting right next to him when you called. Visiting the ATC
center ya know? Saw the whole thing. He wanted to finish the game of
solitaire that he was playing on the radar scope and didn't want to be
bothered issuing a clearance, so he made up the whole part about being
busy.
There really were't any airliners departing PHX that night, no military
or
other GA traffic either.

Mike
MU-2

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
and how do you know it was busy ?
were you sitting next to the controller - or is this just another
assumption
on your part?


Mike Rapoport wrote:

Fine, but while flying above the nasty icing clouds, don't ask for
IFR
to
descend to your destination in busy class B airspace!

Mike
MU-2

"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
...
Mike Rapoport wrote:
If you are not prepared to fly in "nasty clouds" then you have
no
business
filing, requesting or flying IFR.

Depends on your definition of nasty. I consider t-storm, funnel
clouds,
and clouds with temps below freezing to be nasty and I won't fly
into
them, at least not intentionally. I hardly think that means I
have no
business flying IFR.

Not sure what the OPs definition of nasty is, but that is mine.


Matt