Humour airplanes and women

"Rachel" wrote in message
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unicate wrote:
The point is, women aren't scared away from aviation by sexism. Plain and
simple.

It may be plain and simple, but is it true?

If you mean that many women aren't scared away from aviation by sexism, then
that's obviously correct. But if you mean that there aren't many women who
*are* scared away (or otherwise excluded) from aviation by sexism, could you
say why you're confident of that?

Thanks,
Gary

you're a freakin' idiot Duniho...............

Originally Posted by Peter Duniho

"Arketip" wrote in message
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Yes it feels so good to be politically correct.

Cool off a bit Peter it's only a joke.

Ahh yes, the old "we can be as ignorant and insulting as we want, all we
have to do is accuse our detractors of being politically correct" tactic.

Well, screw you. People bitch and whine about how aviation is dying on the
vine, and yet the industry basically excludes 50% of the population, through
a variety of means but very much including this sort of sexism.

If and when pilots can author and laugh at a similar list written about
airplanes and men, then perhaps you can defend yourself against political
correctness. Until then, this is just one more example of the rampant
sexism that exists in the aviation industry.

You can take your accusation of "political correctness" and shove it up your
ass. As anyone who knows me knows, I am the last person one could
rightfully accuse of that. I'm more than happy to skewer anyone anytime,
regardless of race, gender, creed, etc.

But I'm also willing to call a spade a spade. The post wasn't even all that
funny, and it was very much representative of the prehistoric attitudes one
finds so prevalent in aviation. As long as idiots like you continue to
think there's some amusement to be found in this sort of thing, aviation
will always be one of those things that's all about the "boy's club".

So there.

"Rachel" wrote in message ...
The point is, women aren't scared away from aviation by sexism. Plain
and simple.

True, ya'll just get nervous around a bunch of bald headed white guys...
snicker

"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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"Dan Luke" wrote in news:11skm3qcv2cqg90
@news.supernews.com:
The jokes are tasteless and stupid and do reflect a kind of boneheaded
good-ol'-boyism that infects aviation to an excessive degree.

The howls of protest and cries of "politically correct!" that greeted
your post are illustrative.

Hang in there, Pete.

I forget where I heard this, but I'm pretty sure it was a
radio talk show host. He said something along the lines of,

"If I say something that offends you, that's not *my*
problem. It's *yours*. I'm not the one who is offended".

Well, by that reasoning, everyone who's offended by Pete's criticism
should understand that that's *their* problem, not Pete's.
Snipola

You're absolutely right. Which is why after I let loose on him
I've decided to just ignore the ******* from now on, hence solving
my problem.

But I brought it up to point out that it is *his* problem if he is
offended by the original joke. If he doesn't like it, he needs to do
something to change *his* situation so he will no longer be exposed
to that which offends him - and I don't mean forcing his opinion of
what is offensive or not onto everyone else.

If there's one place in this world where you are bound to run into
something "offensive" much sooner than later, it's on the internet.
People need to "grow up" and "get over it" and "move on".

Brian
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Gary Drescher wrote:
"Rachel" wrote in message
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wrote:
The point is, women aren't scared away from aviation by sexism. Plain and
simple.


It may be plain and simple, but is it true?

If you mean that many women aren't scared away from aviation by sexism, then
that's obviously correct. But if you mean that there aren't many women who
*are* scared away (or otherwise excluded) from aviation by sexism, could you
say why you're confident of that?

Because women aren't as weak and pathetic as is implied by this entire
thread. Those that ARE scared away probably have a preconceived idea of
what aviation is like and don't give it a chance. So I think you'd be
right in saying that many are scared away, but it's a fear that has no
merit. The rampant sexism that people are talking about just doesn't
exist - except in feminists' minds.

Gary Drescher wrote:
"Rachel" wrote in message
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wrote:
The point is, women aren't scared away from aviation by sexism. Plain and
simple.


It may be plain and simple, but is it true?

If you mean that many women aren't scared away from aviation by sexism,
then
that's obviously correct. But if you mean that there aren't many women who
*are* scared away (or otherwise excluded) from aviation by sexism, could
you say why you're confident of that?

Rachel wrote:
Because women aren't as weak and pathetic as is implied by this entire
thread. Those that ARE scared away probably have a preconceived idea of
what aviation is like and don't give it a chance. So I think you'd be
right in saying that many are scared away, but it's a fear that has no
merit. The rampant sexism that people are talking about just doesn't
exist - except in feminists' minds.

Not "rampant" sexism, but sexism *does* exist. Should it prevent women
from pursuing goals in aviation? Heck no! Does it? There is some
percentage of women that have been put off or "scared away" by it, yes.
If a woman makes an inquiry, encounters a sexist attitude (yes, it
*does* happen), and is frightened away, then the fear has merit, plain
and simple! ... and that attitude is NOT only in "feminists' minds".

On the other hand, PLENTY of aviation-related schools, businesses,
endeavors *welcome* a woman for a change, too ... and you don't hear any
of us complaining about THAT!

P.S. Please take a little more care when quoting previous posts. My name
appears above, but NONE of that quoted text is mine. Thanks.

unicate wrote:
Peter Duniho wrote:

That's great. But you're one of the rare women who have managed to ignore
or get past the sexism in the aviation industry. That's good for you, but
means you're not exactly representative of women generally.


Being aware of sexism in the aviation industry doesn't mean we can't
take a joke. It definitely exists, and there's a time when being
sensitive to it is appreciated; but looking for a reason to make a fuss
when there is none doesn't help the cause. The blurb was pretty funny,
especially the one about it being very bad when things get quiet! Most
of us (women) have been around long enough to know the difference
between humor and an intentional insult.

Unfortunately, Peter D. hasn't been around long enough to know the
difference.

Matt

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P.S. Please take a little more care when quoting previous posts. My name
appears above, but NONE of that quoted text is mine. Thanks.

Oops, sorry, my mistake. (The indentation actually showed that the text was
not yours, but at a glance it appeared otherwise, for which I apologize.)

--Gary

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P.S. Please take a little more care when quoting previous posts. My name
appears above, but NONE of that quoted text is mine. Thanks.

"Gary Drescher" wrote:
Oops, sorry, my mistake. (The indentation actually showed that the text was
not yours, but at a glance it appeared otherwise, for which I apologize.)

No worries ... and thanks again.

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