Airports/Airspace

In article .com,
Andrew Sarangan wrote:

Jose wrote:
If you consider heliports, gliderports, balloonports, seaplane base
etc.. now you have something like 4096 different types of airports.

I'll betcha there are more types of airports than there are airports.

Jose
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I am sure you are right because I can't imagine a paved seaplane base.


There are airports with paved runways that also have water landing
areas. X47, for example.

""""A closed Delta Airspace towered airport is still a Delta Airspace
towered
airport. Closing the airport for whatever reason during the time the
tower
is open and the Class D surface area is in effect does not change the
airspace in any way.""""

I cannot tell if you are talking about closing the airport, or closing
the tower. If you are talking about closing the tower (airport stays
open), then you are wrong.

In order to enter "Class D" airspace, you need two way radio
communications. How would you satisfy this requirement if the tower
was closed? Talk to the line guys at the FBO? No. If you notice on a
VFR Sectional Chart, the class D airspace is usually also surrounded by
a fading magenta ring, indicating Class E down to 700' AGL. There
should also be a note near the Class D airspace that says "See
NOTAMS/Directory for Class D eff hrs," meaning the airspace closes when
the tower closes. The NOTAMS/Directory will tell you what time this
happens.

This is much more common than you may think. It happens with some
Class C airspace as well. Chattanooga, TN is one example that I can
think of.

-Tim

"Tim Nunes" wrote in message
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I cannot tell if you are talking about closing the airport, or closing
the tower.

It's quite clear from his post (for once ) that he is speaking of closing
the airport, not the tower. That is why he wrote things like "a
closed...towered airport", and "closing the airport...during the time the
tower is open".

How would you "close the airport" during the time the tower is open if
"close the airport" actually meant "close the tower"?

[...]
This is much more common than you may think. It happens with some
Class C airspace as well. Chattanooga, TN is one example that I can
think of.

Rest assured, Steven is *quite* familiar with the concept of part-time ATC
positions. As much as he drives most of us batty some times, there are few
issues regarding ATC that he doesn't know more about than anyone else
posting here (and he would never admit even to those few).

Pete

The airport manager can close an airport by sending the
nearest FSS a notice. If the closing of the airport meets
the standard, an FTC Notam will be issued, perhaps notam D.



"Peter Duniho" wrote in
message ...
| "Tim Nunes" wrote in message
|
ups.com...
| I cannot tell if you are talking about closing the
airport, or closing
| the tower.
|
| It's quite clear from his post (for once ) that he is
speaking of closing
| the airport, not the tower. That is why he wrote things
like "a
| closed...towered airport", and "closing the
airport...during the time the
| tower is open".
|
| How would you "close the airport" during the time the
tower is open if
| "close the airport" actually meant "close the tower"?
|
| [...]
| This is much more common than you may think. It happens
with some
| Class C airspace as well. Chattanooga, TN is one
example that I can
| think of.
|
| Rest assured, Steven is *quite* familiar with the concept
of part-time ATC
| positions. As much as he drives most of us batty some
times, there are few
| issues regarding ATC that he doesn't know more about than
anyone else
| posting here (and he would never admit even to those few).
|
| Pete
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:JZ1Sf.117543$QW2.78191@dukeread08...
The airport manager can close an airport by sending the
nearest FSS a notice. If the closing of the airport meets
the standard, an FTC Notam will be issued, perhaps notam D.

This is relevant to my post how?

"Tim Nunes" wrote in message
ups.com...

""""A closed Delta Airspace towered airport is still a Delta Airspace
towered
airport. Closing the airport for whatever reason during the time the
tower
is open and the Class D surface area is in effect does not change the
airspace in any way.""""

I cannot tell if you are talking about closing the airport, or closing
the tower.


So you couldn't tell I was talking about closing the airport from "a closed
Delta Airspace towered airport" or "closing the airport for whatever
reason"? I don't see how it could have been said more clearly.



If you are talking about closing the tower (airport stays
open), then you are wrong.


I'm not wrong.



In order to enter "Class D" airspace, you need two way radio
communications.


Unless otherwise authorized or required by the ATC facility having
jurisdiction over the Class D airspace area.



How would you satisfy this requirement if the tower was closed?


Outside of the tower hours of operation the airspace will be Class E or
Class G.



If you notice on a VFR Sectional Chart, the class D airspace is usually
also surrounded by a fading magenta ring, indicating Class E down to 700'
AGL.


It's called magenta vignette, and it has nothing to do with the Class D
airspace.



There
should also be a note near the Class D airspace that says "See
NOTAMS/Directory for Class D eff hrs," meaning the airspace closes when
the tower closes. The NOTAMS/Directory will tell you what time this
happens.

This is much more common than you may think.


No, it's exactly as common as I think.

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:JZ1Sf.117543$QW2.78191@dukeread08...

The airport manager can close an airport by sending the
nearest FSS a notice. If the closing of the airport meets
the standard, an FTC Notam will be issued, perhaps notam D.


The Federal Trade Commission issues NOTAMs?

Sorry about the typo, FDC Flight Data Center issues IFR
Notams,


"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
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| news:JZ1Sf.117543$QW2.78191@dukeread08...
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| The airport manager can close an airport by sending the
| nearest FSS a notice. If the closing of the airport
meets
| the standard, an FTC Notam will be issued, perhaps notam
D.
|
|
| The Federal Trade Commission issues NOTAMs?
|
|

Any of you who have thorough knowledge and understanding of
Airports will know that there are only two kinds of Airports in all of
our National Airspace System (NAS). There is Towered and Non-Towered
Airports.

Is incorrect. The two types of airports are those where you can get a good
burger and a coke for under $10, and those where you can't.

Can you list a few in New Jersey?

AJ

"Lets get to the bottom of this.
I constantly hear people refer to Airports as being class B,C or D
Airports. Any of you who have thorough knowledge and understanding of
Airports will know that there are only two kinds of Airports in all of
our National Airspace System (NAS). There is Towered and Non-Towered
Airports."

snip

Are you the same guy who complained people used the term "automotive
engineer" incorrectly by referring to engineers who worked on cars?
His claim was that the term implies an engineer who works on any
self-propelled vehicle. Maybe an etymologist would agree, but when
"automobile" and "automotive" are pretty much universally understood to
mean cars and the like, the distinciton is useful.

And, by the way, it should be "There _are_ Towered and Non-Towered",
not "There is..."