MoGas users: Ethanol replacing MTBE

Jim Macklin wrote:

Another reason for high prices now, is that some states have
mandated a ratio of E85 to regular petroleum gasoline in
pump sales. But there is a shortage of alcohol so when they
run out of E85 they can't sell straight gasoline. Maybe the
President's lifting the EPA rules will also alter state law,
he is blamed for the shortage, hope he has the power to wave
a magic wand and fix the market shortage of refineries,
distillation plants and political unrest in the world. But
it isn't that easy.
First thing, build more refineries, second nuke IRAN so that
the uncertainty about the future supply will go away. It
will also remind a lot of people that it is better to fight
a nuclear war when only one side has the bomb. We will use
small, 3 to 300 kilo ton deep earth penetrating bombs to
take out the underground hardened factories with minimal
above ground damage or radiation release. As the Fonz said,
"You've got to hit someone every once in a while" to keep
your reputation.

Not sure what nuking Iran has to do with motor fuel gas STCs for
aircraft.

Don't believe everything you here about "minimal" radiation release or
collateral damages either. And don't forget to duck when the favor is
returned. There are plenty of heavily contaminated nuclear horror shows
(NTS, Hanford, Rocky Flats, INEL, Oak Ridge, Savannah, etc) in the US
and they weren't even being used in attacks. Underground atomic bomb
testing (not to mention earlier open air tests) in Nevada have resulted
in large scale underground contamination, and those were drilled down a
lot deeper than any penetrating bomb could hope to optain. As far as
hitting someone once in a while, I believe the USA has done that quite
recently. It's worked great, hasn't it? Meanwhile I'm curious about
how increased use of ethanol in motor fuels is affecting aircraft that
use motor gas under an STC.

"John" wrote in message ...
Jim Macklin wrote:

Another reason for high prices now, is that some states have
mandated a ratio of E85 to regular petroleum gasoline in
pump sales. But there is a shortage of alcohol so when they
run out of E85 they can't sell straight gasoline. Maybe the
President's lifting the EPA rules will also alter state law,
he is blamed for the shortage, hope he has the power to wave
a magic wand and fix the market shortage of refineries,
distillation plants and political unrest in the world. But
it isn't that easy.
First thing, build more refineries, second nuke IRAN so that
the uncertainty about the future supply will go away. It
will also remind a lot of people that it is better to fight
a nuclear war when only one side has the bomb. We will use
small, 3 to 300 kilo ton deep earth penetrating bombs to
take out the underground hardened factories with minimal
above ground damage or radiation release. As the Fonz said,
"You've got to hit someone every once in a while" to keep
your reputation.

Not sure what nuking Iran has to do with motor fuel gas STCs for
aircraft.

Removing a complete nut case who is holding the wntire world hostage
(efficacy not yet determined).

Don't believe everything you here about "minimal" radiation release or
collateral damages either.

Okay, and we don't believe you either.

Matt Barrow wrote:

"John" wrote in message ...
Jim Macklin wrote:

Another reason for high prices now, is that some states have
mandated a ratio of E85 to regular petroleum gasoline in
pump sales. But there is a shortage of alcohol so when they
run out of E85 they can't sell straight gasoline. Maybe the
President's lifting the EPA rules will also alter state law,
he is blamed for the shortage, hope he has the power to wave
a magic wand and fix the market shortage of refineries,
distillation plants and political unrest in the world. But
it isn't that easy.
First thing, build more refineries, second nuke IRAN so that
the uncertainty about the future supply will go away. It
will also remind a lot of people that it is better to fight
a nuclear war when only one side has the bomb. We will use
small, 3 to 300 kilo ton deep earth penetrating bombs to
take out the underground hardened factories with minimal
above ground damage or radiation release. As the Fonz said,
"You've got to hit someone every once in a while" to keep
your reputation.

Not sure what nuking Iran has to do with motor fuel gas STCs for
aircraft.

Removing a complete nut case who is holding the wntire world hostage
(efficacy not yet determined).

Huh? How is the whole world being held hostage? For example, please
explain how a person such as myself or a nation such as Russia is being held
"hostage." That's a pretty tall claim. Secondly, how would this nut case
removal actually be accomplished?
Start a nuclear war and the world's problems slip away? Please explain.



Don't believe everything you here about "minimal" radiation release or
collateral damages either.

Okay, and we don't believe you either.

Who is "we?" Using nuclear weapons doesn't disperse fissile products into
the environment.

Should read

Who is "we?" Using nuclear weapons doesn't disperse fissile products into
the environment?

"John" wrote in message ...

Start a nuclear war and the world's problems slip away? Please explain.

Less people, less problems?

Yes, it is possible to buy mogas without ethanol or any of the other
additives. The self serve pumps at Platte Valley in Colorado have it.
They buy it from the refiner.

On 29 Apr 2006 11:43:11 -0700, "Doug"
wrote:

Yes, it is possible to buy mogas without ethanol or any of the other
additives. The self serve pumps at Platte Valley in Colorado have it.
They buy it from the refiner.

The additives are mandated in the southern three counties of New
Hampshire (where the population is, and proximity to Massachusetts).
The rest of the state pumps real gasoline and presumably will continue
to do so. The same is true of Maine.

It is state law, not federal, that makes these rules. I believe there
is a Northeast compact between New York and the New England states on
the matter. Unsure what it takes to lift it, but note that the New
Hampshire legislature meets only one year out of two ...


- all the best, Dan Ford

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10,000 keyboards can create a reference work

Cub Driver opined

On 29 Apr 2006 11:43:11 -0700, "Doug"
wrote:

Yes, it is possible to buy mogas without ethanol or any of the other
additives. The self serve pumps at Platte Valley in Colorado have it.
They buy it from the refiner.

The additives are mandated in the southern three counties of New
Hampshire (where the population is, and proximity to Massachusetts).
The rest of the state pumps real gasoline and presumably will continue
to do so. The same is true of Maine.

Gasahol has turned up in Campton NH in the last week. Prolly to cut the number
of types of fuel to be delivered.

It is state law, not federal, that makes these rules. I believe there
is a Northeast compact between New York and the New England states on
the matter. Unsure what it takes to lift it, but note that the New
Hampshire legislature meets only one year out of two ...

They are meeting at the moment, and generating more bad laws.


-ash
Cthulhu in 2005!
Why wait for nature?

"Grumman-581" wrote in message
...
"John" wrote in message ...

Start a nuclear war and the world's problems slip away? Please explain.

Less people, less problems?


More parking spaces.

Matt Barrow wrote:

"Grumman-581" wrote in message
...
"John" wrote in message ...

Start a nuclear war and the world's problems slip away? Please explain.

Less people, less problems?


More parking spaces.

Yeah in a few hundred years they will be almost safe enough to be near.