Riding vs Flying -- How many here ride?

John Gaquin wrote:

"Skywise" wrote in message

Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light. ........The upshot is that
I am only near other vehicles when they aren't moving.


And every time you pull that sort of stunt, you leave in your wake 50-100
car drivers highly ****ed at the next motorcycles they encounter. That's
high school crap, and has no place in the repertoire of a responsible
driver.

Baloney. It is simply a good idea that hasn't yet come to fruition in
many places in the US. Encouraging motorcycle riding by allowing lane
splitting is at least as good an idea as having bus and car pool lanes.
People should be rewarded for saving fuel, especially when it doesn't
harm others. Allowing motorcycles to lane split doesn't really have any
significant adverse impact on the cars stuck in the line so what is the
harm assuming it is done prudently and safely? I'm not talking about
riding 60 MPH between a closely spaced line of cars, but most
interstates provide at least 6' between cars and that is plenty for a
motorcyle to ride in at 15-20 MPH.


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message news:TKUpg.141

Baloney. It is simply a good idea that hasn't yet come to fruition in

Yup. Keep telling yourself that.

Matt Whiting wrote in
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John Gaquin wrote:

"Skywise" wrote in message

Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light. ........The upshot is that
I am only near other vehicles when they aren't moving.


And every time you pull that sort of stunt, you leave in your wake
50-100 car drivers highly ****ed at the next motorcycles they
encounter. That's high school crap, and has no place in the repertoire
of a responsible driver.

Baloney. It is simply a good idea that hasn't yet come to fruition in
many places in the US. Encouraging motorcycle riding by allowing lane
splitting is at least as good an idea as having bus and car pool lanes.

It's has it's pro's and con's. There's a time to do it, and a
time to refrain. There are many times I don't do it because of
an increased risk. I particularly hate starting down the line
and having the light turn green before I get to the front.
Drivers have this awful habit of swerving back and forth as
they accelerate.

I'd like to also ad that I have heard from multiple sources,
including a few cops, that white lining is encouraged for
motorcycle officers. Supposedly it has been found to be
safer than staying back and getting squished between the car
in front and the drunk behind that doesn't see the stopped
traffic.



People should be rewarded for saving fuel, especially when it doesn't
harm others. Allowing motorcycles to lane split doesn't really have any
significant adverse impact on the cars stuck in the line so what is the
harm assuming it is done prudently and safely? I'm not talking about
riding 60 MPH between a closely spaced line of cars, but most
interstates provide at least 6' between cars and that is plenty for a
motorcyle to ride in at 15-20 MPH.

This is an exampel of when white lining should not be done.
Except on rare occasion, my personal rule of thumb is if I
can maintain 4th gear on the freeway, I go with the flow.
And if I do whiteline on the freeway, I keep it to no more
than 10mph faster than traffic. That way if something happens,
like the idiot who decudes to change lanes without signaling
or looking - or the asshole who doesn't liek motorcyclists
whitelining - I only have to lose 5-10 mph to avoid an
incident.

Brian
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Skywise wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in
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John Gaquin wrote:


"Skywise" wrote in message


Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light. ........The upshot is that
I am only near other vehicles when they aren't moving.


And every time you pull that sort of stunt, you leave in your wake
50-100 car drivers highly ****ed at the next motorcycles they
encounter. That's high school crap, and has no place in the repertoire
of a responsible driver.

Baloney. It is simply a good idea that hasn't yet come to fruition in
many places in the US. Encouraging motorcycle riding by allowing lane
splitting is at least as good an idea as having bus and car pool lanes.


It's has it's pro's and con's. There's a time to do it, and a
time to refrain. There are many times I don't do it because of
an increased risk. I particularly hate starting down the line
and having the light turn green before I get to the front.
Drivers have this awful habit of swerving back and forth as
they accelerate.

I'd like to also ad that I have heard from multiple sources,
including a few cops, that white lining is encouraged for
motorcycle officers. Supposedly it has been found to be
safer than staying back and getting squished between the car
in front and the drunk behind that doesn't see the stopped
traffic.




People should be rewarded for saving fuel, especially when it doesn't
harm others. Allowing motorcycles to lane split doesn't really have any
significant adverse impact on the cars stuck in the line so what is the
harm assuming it is done prudently and safely? I'm not talking about
riding 60 MPH between a closely spaced line of cars, but most
interstates provide at least 6' between cars and that is plenty for a
motorcyle to ride in at 15-20 MPH.


This is an exampel of when white lining should not be done.
Except on rare occasion, my personal rule of thumb is if I
can maintain 4th gear on the freeway, I go with the flow.
And if I do whiteline on the freeway, I keep it to no more
than 10mph faster than traffic. That way if something happens,
like the idiot who decudes to change lanes without signaling
or looking - or the asshole who doesn't liek motorcyclists
whitelining - I only have to lose 5-10 mph to avoid an
incident.

I was talking about riding in stopped traffic.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in news:Zd%pg.154$Pa.21963
@news1.epix.net:

Snipola
I was talking about riding in stopped traffic.

I think you have hit on something here.

I have a hunch that when I first mentioned white lining, that
many ASSUMED I meant I was one of those motorcyclists that
fly between moving cars 30 mph faster than the flow of traffic.

But my posted example was of white lining at stoplights, when
traffic is stopped.

There's a big difference between the two situations.

At stop lights, the only reason for other drivers to be upset
is that they're jealous that I happen to be getting ahead of
them in traffic. Fact is, and I've tested this a few times,
I don't gain much time by white lining. But I do gain something
for my safety.

Brian
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Matt W wrote:

Baloney. It is simply a good idea that hasn't yet come to fruition in
many places in the US. Encouraging motorcycle riding by allowing lane
splitting is at least as good an idea as having bus and car pool lanes.

I'm not surprised that Matt feels this way. It fits.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:

Matt W wrote:


Baloney. It is simply a good idea that hasn't yet come to fruition in
many places in the US. Encouraging motorcycle riding by allowing lane
splitting is at least as good an idea as having bus and car pool lanes.


I'm not surprised that Matt feels this way. It fits.

Yes, it fits with a thinking person with a pragmatic orientation.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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John Gaquin wrote:

"Skywise" wrote in message

Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light. ........The upshot is that
I am only near other vehicles when they aren't moving.


And every time you pull that sort of stunt, you leave in your wake 50-100
car drivers highly ****ed at the next motorcycles they encounter. That's
high school crap, and has no place in the repertoire of a responsible
driver.

Baloney. It is simply a good idea that hasn't yet come to fruition in
many places in the US. Encouraging motorcycle riding by allowing lane
splitting is at least as good an idea as having bus and car pool lanes.
People should be rewarded for saving fuel, especially when it doesn't harm
others. Allowing motorcycles to lane split doesn't really have any
significant adverse impact on the cars stuck in the line so what is the
harm assuming it is done prudently and safely? I'm not talking about
riding 60 MPH between a closely spaced line of cars, but most interstates
provide at least 6' between cars and that is plenty for a motorcyle to
ride in at 15-20 MPH.


Matt

A large part of the motoring public seems to disengage their brain when the
engage the transmission of their car.

I spent a number of years as a motor officer and I hated white lining with a
passion. Even in stopped traffic and moving slowly between the lanes was
and is dangerous. First, many people see but don't register a motorcycle.
There were too many times when the second traffic moved a bit someone would
try and change lanes. They'd even look over and see the gap as traffic
moved but not see that Harley with the flashing blue strobes and pulsing
headlight! So the guy on the sport bike wouldn't stand a chance.
--
Chris Ehlbeck, PP-ASEL
"It's a license to learn, have fun and buy really expensive hamburgers."

Chris Ehlbeck wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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John Gaquin wrote:


"Skywise" wrote in message


Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light. ........The upshot is that
I am only near other vehicles when they aren't moving.


And every time you pull that sort of stunt, you leave in your wake 50-100
car drivers highly ****ed at the next motorcycles they encounter. That's
high school crap, and has no place in the repertoire of a responsible
driver.

Baloney. It is simply a good idea that hasn't yet come to fruition in
many places in the US. Encouraging motorcycle riding by allowing lane
splitting is at least as good an idea as having bus and car pool lanes.
People should be rewarded for saving fuel, especially when it doesn't harm
others. Allowing motorcycles to lane split doesn't really have any
significant adverse impact on the cars stuck in the line so what is the
harm assuming it is done prudently and safely? I'm not talking about
riding 60 MPH between a closely spaced line of cars, but most interstates
provide at least 6' between cars and that is plenty for a motorcyle to
ride in at 15-20 MPH.


Matt


A large part of the motoring public seems to disengage their brain when the
engage the transmission of their car.

I spent a number of years as a motor officer and I hated white lining with a
passion. Even in stopped traffic and moving slowly between the lanes was
and is dangerous. First, many people see but don't register a motorcycle.
There were too many times when the second traffic moved a bit someone would
try and change lanes. They'd even look over and see the gap as traffic
moved but not see that Harley with the flashing blue strobes and pulsing
headlight! So the guy on the sport bike wouldn't stand a chance.

That is a different problem and doesn't change the validity of the
technique. It seems to work fine in at least some parts of Europe. If
we had decent driver training in this country, including periodic
recurrent training and recertification, much of this problem could be
addressed.


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in news:xYEqg.246$Pa.29561
@news1.epix.net:

Snipola
That is a different problem and doesn't change the validity of the
technique. It seems to work fine in at least some parts of Europe. If
we had decent driver training in this country, including periodic
recurrent training and recertification, much of this problem could be
addressed.

ABSOLUTELY!!! Driver education in this country is a farce.
I like some of the things they do in Europe re driver
training and bad drivers.

For one, I like the idea that a ticket's fine is commensurate
upon the recipients income. A $300 ticket to someone who
makes minimum wage is a big deal. To someone who makes 100k
a year, so what? Hit them in the pocket book and they'll
'get it'.

Brian
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