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"Rocketeer" wrote in message
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Dave:

I will still go flying when I want to, just have to have the
instructor or another pilot that will let me take the stick. So all is
not lost.

How about sailplanes, or motorgliders? Those do not have the catch 22 with
the medical, right?
--
Jim in NC

Jim in NC

Why yes, sailplanes! And there is a sailplane port not far from here.
And NO MEDICAL REQUIRED!! Not for student or pilot.

Thanks for making me look that up!

But if they sent me the certified letter, is that for ONLY powered
planes? I will have to have them answer that one for me cause the
letter sounded awful hard against any flying.

Curtis S

Morgans wrote:
"Rocketeer" wrote in message
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Dave:

I will still go flying when I want to, just have to have the
instructor or another pilot that will let me take the stick. So all is
not lost.

How about sailplanes, or motorgliders? Those do not have the catch 22 with
the medical, right?
--
Jim in NC

"Rocketeer" wrote

Why yes, sailplanes! And there is a sailplane port not far from here.
And NO MEDICAL REQUIRED!! Not for student or pilot.

Thanks for making me look that up!

But if they sent me the certified letter, is that for ONLY powered
planes? I will have to have them answer that one for me cause the
letter sounded awful hard against any flying.

There is a gotcha in the sport pilot rating, in that there is no medical
required IF you have not been turned down at your last FAA medical. That is
your condition, so no sport pilot for you.

For sailplanes, there is NO medical of any kind required for it. It does
not matter if you have been turned down in the past. You are self
certifying, before every flight, that you have no condition that is going to
cause a safety problem during that flight. It would seem to me, that is
your only catch. You must be honest enough to be aware of your limitations.

The sailplane ticket also allow for self launch, or motor gliders. There
are definitions that have to be met to call it a motor glider, but at least
with an engine, you can go somewhere when the lift is marginal.

Here is a link with most of the vital information.
http://webpages.charter.net/engreenwell/ASA/Motorglider_criteria_2004.pdf
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Rocketeer" wrote

Why yes, sailplanes! And there is a sailplane port not far from here.
And NO MEDICAL REQUIRED!! Not for student or pilot.

Thanks for making me look that up!

But if they sent me the certified letter, is that for ONLY powered
planes? I will have to have them answer that one for me cause the
letter sounded awful hard against any flying.

There is a gotcha in the sport pilot rating, in that there is no medical
required IF you have not been turned down at your last FAA medical. That
is
your condition, so no sport pilot for you.

For sailplanes, there is NO medical of any kind required for it. It does
not matter if you have been turned down in the past. You are self
certifying, before every flight, that you have no condition that is going
to
cause a safety problem during that flight. It would seem to me, that is
your only catch. You must be honest enough to be aware of your
limitations.

The sailplane ticket also allow for self launch, or motor gliders. There
are definitions that have to be met to call it a motor glider, but at
least
with an engine, you can go somewhere when the lift is marginal.

Here is a link with most of the vital information.
http://webpages.charter.net/engreenwell/ASA/Motorglider_criteria_2004.pdf
--
Jim in NC


You also have FAR part 103 ultralights, and one other possibility for you
depending on your condition. If it wasn't done during the intital attempt
at getting a medical, and I doubt it was in that Light Sport is very new,
you can ask that they review your medical certification again for Light
Sport only. It wouldn't be a 3rd class, but a review to see if you could
safely operate an LSA. Many homebuilts can fall into that category. To
deal with these types of issues AOPA is the place to call and ask for the
medical certification dept.

"mark" wrote

You also have FAR part 103 ultralights, and one other possibility for you
depending on your condition. If it wasn't done during the intital attempt
at getting a medical, and I doubt it was in that Light Sport is very new,
you can ask that they review your medical certification again for Light
Sport only.

What on earth are you talking about? There is only one minimum level of
medical that will do; at least a 3rd class medical, that he can let expire.
There is no light sport medical review.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"mark" wrote

You also have FAR part 103 ultralights, and one other possibility for you
depending on your condition. If it wasn't done during the intital
attempt
at getting a medical, and I doubt it was in that Light Sport is very new,
you can ask that they review your medical certification again for Light
Sport only.

What on earth are you talking about? There is only one minimum level of
medical that will do; at least a 3rd class medical, that he can let
expire.
There is no light sport medical review.
--
Jim in NC

He can not just let his medical expire. If I understood correctly he
attempted to get a 3rd class and was denied. That means the self certify
does not apply to him, but the FAA will review the file again if it has not
already done so, for allowing him to fly Light Sport Aircraft only. Once
they review the file they could possibly issue a letter giving him the ok to
self certify for LSA or under what conditions he would have to meet to fly
LSA. Its also possible that they could turn him down again for LSA. That
would limit him to 103 and possibly gliders.

Its really one of the big catch 22's in LSA. If you attempt to get a
medical and find a problem or if you try to jump through the hoops and
someone say no, you lose the light sport as an option without more hoops.

"mark" wrote

He can not just let his medical expire. If I understood correctly he
attempted to get a 3rd class and was denied.

Correct

That means the self certify
does not apply to him, but the FAA will review the file again if it has
not
already done so, for allowing him to fly Light Sport Aircraft only.

Where have you ever heard of reviewing an application for allowing sport
pilot only? You are proposing a procedure that is not in place.

Once
they review the file they could possibly issue a letter giving him the ok
to
self certify for LSA or under what conditions he would have to meet to fly
LSA. Its also possible that they could turn him down again for LSA.

They have already turned him down for LSA by turning down his medical. His
medical MUST be reinstated fully, to fly, then he can let it expire and fly
LSA.

If you know of a procedure other than full medical reinstatement like you
have posted, explain fully, and post cites. Until then, don't get some
people's hopes up.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
"Rocketeer" wrote

Why yes, sailplanes! And there is a sailplane port not far from here.
And NO MEDICAL REQUIRED!! Not for student or pilot.

Thanks for making me look that up!

But if they sent me the certified letter, is that for ONLY powered
planes? I will have to have them answer that one for me cause the
letter sounded awful hard against any flying.

The single msot important consideration is to what extend you
would be at greater risk than a pilot with a current medical.


There is a gotcha in the sport pilot rating, in that there is no medical
required IF you have not been turned down at your last FAA medical. That is
your condition, so no sport pilot for you.

Keeping the above consideration in mind, you might look into this
strategy, described by "Jim" on the yahoo Texas Parasol group:

Last year the FAA presented details of the medical rules at the
Illinois Safety Seminar in Springfield.

Here is a key item. If your last medical was not cancelled, you can
then use your drivers license. And is here the way around your last
cancellation per the FAA. Request a single flight medical for a ferry
flight of a short distance. Almost always granted. Now your last
medical is not a failure. You dont need to actually make the flight,
just have permission.

Your request of course would be for a single flight, VFR, no
passengers, etc so there is no danger to anyone.

I have no first hand experience at this, but am quoting an FAA
employee from Oklahoma who addressed the crowd of 500
with this method.

Please keep in mind those are Jim's words above, not mine.

But again, the single most important consideration is if and to what
extent your medical condition puts you (and the public) at increased
risk should you fly.

--

FF