Mxs wins.

Well, I'm going to take a break from this group for a while. The signal to
noise level is so high, and the volume of junk so large, it takes too much time
and annoys me.

That's just silly, Jim. You make skipping a thread sound like changing
the transmission in your van at OSH! (Oh, wait, you've done THAT
already... ;-)

Honestly, computers have made us SO lazy. Whenever the computer takes
a while to download a file, we like to yell out "Dang it -- just LOOK
at this thing! I don't have all MINUTE!" Our expectations of speed
and results versus time expended have become absurdly unrealistic.

Skipping a thread -- or marking it "read" -- takes a second. I'm
unable to do even that using these stupid Google Groups (which I'm
stuck using at the hotel), but I don't find it difficult to simply not
read dumb threads.

There's a lot of value here, and you're one of the more level-headed
aviators in the group. Start some good threads, instead of leaving,
dang it!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" writes:

[...] Skipping a thread -- or marking it "read" -- takes a second.
[...]

Yes, but on an ongoing basis, every such a second is an aggrevating
waste. It drains the joy (such as it is) of participating.

It would be better if all those who actively enable msxmanic, by
answering his unbelievably lazy and uninformed questions, were to sit
back and stay quiet unless their replies are witty or informative
enough for the bulk of the audience.

There's a lot of value here, and you're one of the more level-headed
aviators in the group. Start some good threads, instead of leaving,
dang it!

Sometimes, ostracism of harmful elements (and their enablers!) can do
more-long term good. Technical translation? Get your news-reader
software to score down not just the dumbest of threads, but every
person who participates in them.

- FChE

Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:

uninformed questions

Yeah, I hate it when someone askes a question and doesn't already know
the answer. I don't know very much but they seem reasonable questions
for his experience level. Sorry beginners bother you.


Sometimes, ostracism of ...snip... their enablers!)

That would be me.


person who participates in them.



That would be this thread, that would be you, welcome to the club!

John

The Visitor wrote:
Yeah, I hate it when someone askes a question and doesn't already know
the answer. I don't know very much but they seem reasonable questions
for his experience level. Sorry beginners bother you.


He claims to have flown sims for 15 years. That hardly makes him a beginner; it
makes him a troll.

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

He claims to have flown sims for 15 years. That hardly makes him a beginner; it
makes him a troll.




I'm not sticking up for him, or going to bash him. I wuold guess he is a
real keener. There are kids growing up in my neighbourhood that have
been flying sims since they could play on the computer. When they are 20
something they will be able to make the same claim also. And thier level
of questions will increase with their curisity and experience.

I just wish he would sign a name every now and then. Even just a first
name would be nice. It's like talking to somebody wearing a hood.

I would guess he is a 20 something student. What is amazing is he is
still so fascinated by flying sims.

I try not to judge people. A long time ago I was maybe 14, I sold an
antenna to somebody, via a second party. Talking with the first party on
2m, he had all kinds of frustrating problems installing it. Then wanted
his money back. Well I gave it to him and my frustration was more than
obvious to all on the frequency. Somebody interjected and mentioned to
me, on the telephone this person is a white caner. Not knowing even that
had to be spelled out for me. He got his money back, the antenna was
fine actually just installed poorly, and I don't know how or who he got
to go up and down this tower of his. But I sure felt stupid and still do
30+ years later. Sorry Stan.

So I'm patient. And perhaps one day he will take to a real plane. Or a
full motion simulator.

It seems to me he is talking about piloting even if he does apply it to
a sim. I don't. And he does pose questions many doorknobs with licenses
should be thinking about. And if I don't like the thread, I move on.

Some feel he is too much a beginner to be here. Some here look like real
beginners to me. And that's fine with me. Funniest of all; the maturity
level of a person whom is compelled to post "plonk" or simiar
sentiments. Second place goes to self appointed herd leaders.

Can't everybody get along, do it for the children.

John

The Visitor wrote:
I would guess he is a 20 something student. What is amazing is he is
still so fascinated by flying sims.

I spent quite some time on the sim groups when I was first training,
setting up my own computer for pre-flying trips.

I was shocked to notice that many, if not most, of the simmers were
gentlemen in their 60s and way above. They felt as if they were too
old or poor or perhaps frightened to take up real flying, but would
spend hours (in real time) "flying" across the world. With the amazing
sim scenery these days, it's a great way to travel without leaving
home. Especially if you have a sick spouse who can't travel.

Kev

Kev writes:

I was shocked to notice that many, if not most, of the simmers were
gentlemen in their 60s and way above. They felt as if they were too
old or poor or perhaps frightened to take up real flying, but would
spend hours (in real time) "flying" across the world.

What's so shocking about that? You need lots of money and time and
excellent health to fly. Anyone who cannot get a medical certificate,
or doesn't have many thousands of dollars of spare cash, or can't
afford many hours of spare time, may find solace in simulation.

With the amazing sim scenery these days, it's a great way to travel
without leaving home. Especially if you have a sick spouse who
can't travel.

I've discovered things about the region where I was born in the sim
that I never knew from real life. You can fly over places to which
you cannot easily drive, and flying around the region gives you a much
better feel for the layout of the land, so to speak. I had only a
vague idea of the relative positions of many well-known spots in my
own State and the surrounding area until I actually flew to them
(well, in the sim) and discovered exactly where they were.
Unfortunately, flying to them for real is out of the question now.
But, as you say, the scenery is pretty well simulated (for flying
purposes).

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

The Visitor wrote:
It seems to me he is talking about piloting even if he does apply it to
a sim.

Yed. Those who call him a troll are simply wrong. He's asking
reasonable, intelligent questions about how real airplanes work, are
equipped, etc. I haven't seen him start an off-topic thread yet - more
than I can say for most of his detractors.

And he does pose questions many doorknobs with licenses
should be thinking about.

That's the reason he arouses such intense hatred. He's asking mostly
reasonable questions, and the people reading this realize (at some
level) that they should know the answers, and not only is it quite
common for them not to know the answers, quite often they haven't even
thought about the questions.

Michael

"Michael" wrote in message
ups.com...
Yed. Those who call him a troll are simply wrong. He's asking
reasonable, intelligent questions about how real airplanes work, are
equipped, etc.

There has been generally nothing wrong with the initial questions. The
problem occurs when he refuses to believe the answers.

And he does pose questions many doorknobs with licenses
should be thinking about.

That's the reason he arouses such intense hatred.

No, it's not. I have never seen anyone here be aroused to hatred by a
question that they should be thinking about. Rather, people are aroused to
hatred by his refusal to believe informed, experienced answers. It's fine
to be skeptical, but he makes the incorrect assumption that he already
*knows* the answer is wrong, and argues points inanely on that basis.

He's asking mostly
reasonable questions, and the people reading this realize (at some
level) that they should know the answers, and not only is it quite
common for them not to know the answers, quite often they haven't even
thought about the questions.

You are so far off base here, it's not even funny.

Pete

On 23 Oct 2006 08:13:58 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote
in om:

using these stupid Google Groups (which I'm stuck using at the hotel),

Of course, that's not true. Martin will give you Usenet access on his
server, and there used to be free Usenet accounts available for
text-based newsgroups, IIRC.