VFR position reporting

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:11:57 GMT, A Lieberma
wrote:

"Jim Macklin" wrote in
:

I've stopped posting answers for him, but do to help the
real student pilots out there.

Hopefully others will follow so the noise level will go down. I have been
suggesting this for the past month.

I sure am doing my best not to respond *smile*.

Ignore him and he should go away once everybody does not respond to his
nonsensible replies.

Peer pressure can do wonders in this case by virtual of silence or no
replies.

Allen


What's the big deal? I have learned a lot from the threads he started.





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randall g schrieb:


What's the big deal? I have learned a lot from the threads he started.


I´m also only a disgusting armchair 'pilot', and I wouldn´t dare to
post any question about real life flying in this highly sophisticated
group, but: Amen to the above statement!

Andreas

On 20 Nov 2006 23:58:38 -0800, "Andreas Tschoeke"
wrote:


randall g schrieb:


What's the big deal? I have learned a lot from the threads he started.


I´m also only a disgusting armchair 'pilot', and I wouldn´t dare to
post any question about real life flying in this highly sophisticated
group, but: Amen to the above statement!

Andreas



I hope some of the pilots around here give your comments some serious
thought.




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randall g wrote in
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On 20 Nov 2006 23:58:38 -0800, "Andreas Tschoeke"
wrote:

I´m also only a disgusting armchair 'pilot', and I wouldn´t dare to
post any question about real life flying in this highly sophisticated
group, but: Amen to the above statement!

Andreas

I hope some of the pilots around here give your comments some serious
thought.

I HOPE NOT.

Y'all need to not only read the questions this guy is raising, but the
way he is responding to REAL LIFE answers to his questions and making it
like sim flight is the same. It's not in any manner shape or form. This
is what is raising my dander and other pilots as well.

I mean get real, VFR position reporting in a game of MSFS? Read his
responses and the way they are written, you would think he was near check
ride time. Not only that, he is questioning things he has never
experienced. It's one thing to question something with a question but
this guy is challenging pilots responses based on MSFS experiences. The
two just ain't the same, no manner, shape or form.

I don't think there is a fellow pilot out here who would not go out of
their way to help a fellow student pilot or another pilot (myself
included).

There is nothing wrong with armchair flying, nothing wrong with non
pilots posting questions, but to act like spatial disorientation is a
life or death situation in a MSFS world is wrong (another thread this
goofball posted in).

To make his responses seem like he is just about to take a check ride in
a real plane is wrong when in reality he is playing a game.

Again, don't hesitate to post questions even if you never touched a GA
plane, just don't act like playing MSFS is like a real plane or real
world flying.

It's not and will never be.

Allen

A Lieberma wrote:
I mean get real, VFR position reporting in a game of MSFS? [...]

Clearly you know very little about MSFS usage these days, at least when
enhanced with add-ons. If it really were just a game, you'd see it on
game consoles. But fortunately a lot of pilots helped work on it, and
it's a pretty good basic simulation. Add satellite photo imagery and
space shuttle radar terrain points, and it's even good for VFR nav
practice.

Many pilots use it for navigation and IFR practice. Perhaps you get to
fly in clouds all the time, but others get a bit rusty with their scan
and MSFS is good for that. (NOT seat of the pants flying.)

Other users, armchair fliers perhaps, often have others acting over the
net as air traffic controllers, etc. So yes, position reporting is
quite possible.

Kev

"Kev" wrote in news:1164170084.413504.14250
@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:


A Lieberma wrote:
I mean get real, VFR position reporting in a game of MSFS? [...]

Clearly you know very little about MSFS usage these days, at least when
enhanced with add-ons. If it really were just a game, you'd see it on
game consoles.

If it looks like a game, talks like a game, I'd suspect it's a game even
by MSFS. http://www.microsoft.com/games/flightsimulatorx/

Many pilots use it for navigation and IFR practice. Perhaps you get to
fly in clouds all the time, but others get a bit rusty with their scan
and MSFS is good for that. (NOT seat of the pants flying.)

Glad you added the last sentence..... All MSFS is good for is the scan
and IFR procedures. Doesn't replace the real deal IMC get the leans
feeling.

Quick Google will clearly show how I feel about sims and real flying, but
to save you looking it up, I see no problems with MSFS simulator as long
as it is used to compliment the real deal flying.

As stated in my prior post, it does not, will not, will never replace or
come close to simulating the physiology of flight, and that my friend is
what keeps us returning to the skies.

Other users, armchair fliers perhaps, often have others acting over the
net as air traffic controllers, etc. So yes, position reporting is
quite possible.

Quite possible, but based on Mx's postings, sure doesn't sound like he is
doing this. All he is doing is trolling these newsgroups. READ HIS
RESPONSES arguing points he has NEVER experienced.

I only hope every pilot recognizes this and ignores his postings and
bring the noise level down.

Allen

"Andreas Tschoeke" wrote in message
oups.com...

randall g schrieb:


What's the big deal? I have learned a lot from the threads he started.


I´m also only a disgusting armchair 'pilot', and I wouldn´t dare to
post any question about real life flying in this highly sophisticated
group, but: Amen to the above statement!

Andreas


Hi Andreas!
I think a lot of the agro towards Mxsmanic is due to the fact that he
doesn't even try to research the answers himself. he just expects others to
spoon feed him the answers. (forgetting for a moment that he likes to argue
points with those who do take the time to help him!) If he came with a
question that suggested that he had actually attempted to find his own
answer to, but he just wanted clarification on, he would have less people
ignoring him.
Oz/Crash Lander

Crash Lander schrieb:

I think a lot of the agro towards Mxsmanic is due to the fact that he
doesn't even try to research the answers himself. he just expects others to
spoon feed him the answers.

Hi Crash,

agreed; the manner in which he is posting and the justification of his
posts are quite questionable, but you cannot possibly deny that the
posts he started contain valuable information.

The signal to noise ratio people complain about would greatly diminish,
if those who dislike his 'personality' would simply start to ignore him
altogether, as has been said endlessly already. After all, most of the
'noise' in his threads consists of the contributions of peolple
discussing the pros and cons of his posts/questions which, admittedly,
has nothing to do with aviation, be it simulated or RL. This obviously
is also true for this very post ...

:-) Andreas

Recently, Andreas Tschoeke posted:

Crash Lander schrieb:

I think a lot of the agro towards Mxsmanic is due to the fact that he
doesn't even try to research the answers himself. he just expects
others to spoon feed him the answers.

Hi Crash,

agreed; the manner in which he is posting and the justification of his
posts are quite questionable, but you cannot possibly deny that the
posts he started contain valuable information.

The signal to noise ratio people complain about would greatly
diminish, if those who dislike his 'personality' would simply start
to ignore him altogether, as has been said endlessly already. After
all, most of the 'noise' in his threads consists of the contributions
of peolple discussing the pros and cons of his posts/questions which,
admittedly, has nothing to do with aviation, be it simulated or RL.
This obviously is also true for this very post ...

:-) Andreas

I disagree with this assessment. "Noise" is that which obfuscates the
"signal", making it difficult to determine the true message. In this
context, the "noise" is mostly from Mxsmanic's factually incorrect claims,
as the other posts and OT reponses may have little to do with the message
and therefore won't obfuscate the information. What angers some, myself
included, is that some of the misinformation that Mxsmanic posts as fact
would be quite dangerous for a student pilot to accept as true. OTOH, the
responses from others that reflect frustration in dealing with such
misinformation give "color" to the readers of the thread, and should help
them to catch on that this person really has nothing to contribute with
regard to flying real aircraft. So, over all, the signal to noise is
*improved* by these contributions because they function as a "noise
filter".

Neil

"Neil Gould" wrote in
om:

What angers
some, myself included, is that some of the misinformation that
Mxsmanic posts as fact would be quite dangerous for a student pilot to
accept as true.

Agree.... While we can't help the lurkers, we can advise new people that
respond to his posts that he is a troll and use information provided by him
with a grain of salt and they are wasting their valuable time with him.

OTOH, the responses from others that reflect
frustration in dealing with such misinformation give "color" to the
readers of the thread, and should help them to catch on that this
person really has nothing to contribute with regard to flying real
aircraft. So, over all, the signal to noise is *improved* by these
contributions because they function as a "noise filter".

Disagree.... All it should take is one response to stop the noise factor
and others follow suit by not acknowledging him. If we work as a group to
improve the quality, then he will go away getting the message that nobody
will put up with his nonsens.

Opinions will always vary, but GENERALLY speaking, most of his responses
just don't fit the real world situation.

Allen