VFR position reporting

Dudley Henriques wrote:
I've always had an issue with the fact that Kennedy wasn't as aware as he
should have been about the dangers of horizon loss in the area under certain
weather conditions and at certain times of the day. [...]

And he wasn't the only one who spiraled in within the same area. Not
long before him, a professional crew doing night IFR certification did
just what he did... and that was with _three_ experienced pilots
aboard.

So it's hard to totally give him grief in this case. As we all know
from research, it can take less than a minute to go from start of
spiral to death.

Regards, Kev

Kev,

night IFR certification


wazzat?

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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Kev,
night IFR certification

wazzat?

Yeah, sorry, that's what happens when you write with a four-year old on
your lap and your wife is yelling that dinner's ready... you take
shortcuts and hope people extrapolate :-)

I meant, it was pilots for a small airline that needed to get some
simulated IFR time for company currency requirements. So they chose a
dark moonless night over the ocean, and crashed while practicing
unusual attitude recovery when they all got disoriented.

Kev

Kev writes:

I meant, it was pilots for a small airline that needed to get some
simulated IFR time for company currency requirements. So they chose a
dark moonless night over the ocean, and crashed while practicing
unusual attitude recovery when they all got disoriented.

Did they lose their jobs?

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Kev writes:

I meant, it was pilots for a small airline that needed to get some
simulated IFR time for company currency requirements. So they chose a
dark moonless night over the ocean, and crashed while practicing
unusual attitude recovery when they all got disoriented.

Did they lose their jobs?

IIRC, they lost their lives, and the incident was reconstructed from
the black box recording.

Kev

Kev, re your comment about another accident in the same area -- can you
offer other information or a link to the NTSB report?

Thanks

Tony

On Nov 22, 4:38 pm, "Kev" wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
I've always had an issue with the fact that Kennedy wasn't as aware as he
should have been about the dangers of horizon loss in the area under certain
weather conditions and at certain times of the day. [...]And he wasn't the only one who spiraled in within the same area. Not
long before him, a professional crew doing night IFR certification did
just what he did... and that was with _three_ experienced pilots
aboard.

So it's hard to totally give him grief in this case. As we all know
from research, it can take less than a minute to go from start of
spiral to death.

Regards, Kev

Tony wrote:
Kev, re your comment about another accident in the same area -- can you
offer other information or a link to the NTSB report?

Man, I'm sorry. I have looked and looked tonight and can't seem to
find that NTSB report again. I even tried Googling my own posts,
since I know I wrote about it on Usenet back in 1999 when JFK Jr
crashed.

My memory is dim, but I believe it was a very small airline, perhaps
even an island air taxi kind of service. I seem to recall that the
NTSB report had a lot of the conversation (they didn't just guess what
the crew was doing) so they must've had a recording to work from, which
I'm not sure an air taxi requires.

I'll keep looking. This is a little frustrating. I want to blame the
chemotherapy, but I think it's just old age :-)

Kev

Kev, if you can aproximate the year and a range of months, I can find
it that way.

I would rather believe it was an overdose of turkey than chemo or age
that's affecting your memory!


Thanks

On Nov 23, 8:20 pm, "Kev" wrote:
Tony wrote:
Kev, re your comment about another accident in the same area -- can you
offer other information or a link to the NTSB report?Man, I'm sorry. I have looked and looked tonight and can't seem to
find that NTSB report again. I even tried Googling my own posts,
since I know I wrote about it on Usenet back in 1999 when JFK Jr
crashed.

My memory is dim, but I believe it was a very small airline, perhaps
even an island air taxi kind of service. I seem to recall that the
NTSB report had a lot of the conversation (they didn't just guess what
the crew was doing) so they must've had a recording to work from, which
I'm not sure an air taxi requires.

I'll keep looking. This is a little frustrating. I want to blame the
chemotherapy, but I think it's just old age :-)

Kev

Kev, I scanned NTSB reports for MA for a few years before the JFK Jr
crash looking for multiple deaths in a part 91 or 135 flight going into
the water around the Vineyard meeting your description, and came up
dry. When I have a few minutes I'll check for Rhode Island accidents.
Any additional clues would be helpful.

Boys and girls, do practice unusual attitude recovery under the hood
with a safety pilot. 30 degree pitch and 60 degree bank limits make it
interesting, and sometimes cover the HSI too. It'll make being the
subject of a NTSB, like the one MX posted which describes the JFK Jr
accident, less likely.

Tony writes:

Kev, re your comment about another accident in the same area -- can you
offer other information or a link to the NTSB report?

http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief2.asp?...MA178& akey=1

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