"Rolling" to ATC

On Feb 5, 6:59 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Under what conditions, if any, would you explicitly tell ATC that you
are rolling, that is, actually rolling on the runway for take-off?

I hear this used occasionally, but I don't know if there are any
formal circumstances that merit it, or if it is just at pilot
discretion, or what. It is normally independent of the readback of
the take-off clearance (which precedes it), although sometimes I hear
"Rolling" without a readback of the clearance.

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In this country (NZ) we seem to hear 'rolling' from people who have
been trained at uncontrolled airfields and seem to bring that with
them when flying into controlled airfields. The rest of us don't
generally say it until we get to an uncontrolled airfield..

chris writes:

In this country (NZ) we seem to hear 'rolling' from people who have
been trained at uncontrolled airfields and seem to bring that with
them when flying into controlled airfields. The rest of us don't
generally say it until we get to an uncontrolled airfield..

Do you say anything prior to the take-off? If so, what do you add by
saying "rolling"? (If not, I can understand why you'd say it,
although by the time you _are_ rolling, it's a bit late to warn anyone
who might be in your way.)

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On Feb 5, 9:46 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
chris writes:
In this country (NZ) we seem to hear 'rolling' from people who have
been trained at uncontrolled airfields and seem to bring that with
them when flying into controlled airfields. The rest of us don't
generally say it until we get to an uncontrolled airfield..

Do you say anything prior to the take-off? If so, what do you add by
saying "rolling"? (If not, I can understand why you'd say it,
although by the time you _are_ rolling, it's a bit late to warn anyone
who might be in your way.)

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At a controlled airfield 'rolling' is quite redundant, since before
you can takeoff you must have received a clearance to takeoff and then
have read it back. Rolling is useful at uncontrolled airfields
because there is no ATC, therefore no clearance required to takeoff so
it lets other pilots who might be on downwind or finals know you'll be
off the runway in a few seconds and they will be able to land. At an
uncontrolled airfield I will often make a radio call when lining up
and another for rolling..

The way I have heard 'rolling' used, and the way I have sometimes used
it myself, is if given a clearance along the lines of "Cessna XYZ,
cleared for take-off, no delay" or "Cessna XYZ, cleared for take-off -
expedite, landing traffic".

In this situation, when you acknowledge the clearnace, you could say
"Cleared for take-off, Cessna XYZ". This does not confirm to the
controller that you heard the 'expedite', and so may cause the
controller to repeat the instruction. Or you can say "Cleared for take-
off, no delay, Cessna XYZ". Or "Cleared for take-off, rolling, Cessna
XYZ" or even "Rolling, Cessna XYZ".

As previously advised to in a thread a while back in this group, when
given a take-off clearance with an 'expedite' in it, I tend to glance
up the final approach path, then push the throttle in, then key the
mike for the acknowledgement. It's nice when controllers do things
efficiently, saving me 0.1 hour at rental rates, so I try to be as
responsive as possible in return.

However, although it makes sense, pilots are not required to acknowledge or
read back a take off or landing clearance.

On Feb 5, 12:01 pm, "Viperdoc" wrote:
However, although it makes sense, pilots are not required to acknowledge or
read back a take off or landing clearance.

I dunno what country you fly in, but I am talking about New Zealand,
and the rules here are obviously somewhat different to wherever you
fly..

On the NZ CAA website, you will find:

Advisory Circular AC 91-9 & AC 172-1

This is from the appropriate section of that document:

4.12 Readback Requirements
4.12.1 A pilot is required to acknowledge receipt of the following ATC
clearances, information or
instructions, which are transmitted by voice, by a full readback
followed by the aircraft callsign:
· ATC route, approach and departure clearances including any amendment
thereof;
· clearances to VFR flights to operate within controlled airspace,
including entering or vacating the
circuit;
· clearances (including conditional clearances) to operate on the
manoeuvring area at a controlled
aerodrome including:
o clearances to land on or take off from the runway-in-use;
o clearances to enter, cross, or backtrack on the runway-in-use;
o instructions to remain on or hold clear of the runway-in-use;
o taxi instructions including a taxi route and holding point where
specified;
· runway-in-use;
· SSR codes;
· level instructions;
· heading and speed instructions;
· altimeter settings; and
· frequency, after frequency change instructions.



This relates to Part 91 of our CAA rules, and is exactly what we were
taught when getting our licenses.

Not required in the States- there are exceptions, such as hold short
instructions.

"chris" wrote

I dunno what country you fly in, but I am talking about New Zealand,
and the rules here are obviously somewhat different to wherever you
fly..

Wow, you have to read back about everything.

What is there that you DO NOT have to read back?

Seriously?
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Jim in NC

writes:

The way I have heard 'rolling' used, and the way I have sometimes used
it myself, is if given a clearance along the lines of "Cessna XYZ,
cleared for take-off, no delay" or "Cessna XYZ, cleared for take-off -
expedite, landing traffic".

In this situation, when you acknowledge the clearnace, you could say
"Cleared for take-off, Cessna XYZ". This does not confirm to the
controller that you heard the 'expedite', and so may cause the
controller to repeat the instruction. Or you can say "Cleared for take-
off, no delay, Cessna XYZ". Or "Cleared for take-off, rolling, Cessna
XYZ" or even "Rolling, Cessna XYZ".

As previously advised to in a thread a while back in this group, when
given a take-off clearance with an 'expedite' in it, I tend to glance
up the final approach path, then push the throttle in, then key the
mike for the acknowledgement. It's nice when controllers do things
efficiently, saving me 0.1 hour at rental rates, so I try to be as
responsive as possible in return.

This is the way I do it, mostly. If the controller makes it clear
that I must take off immediately, I acknowledge the clearance and also
indicate that I'm actually moving. Conversely, if the controller does
not make it clear that I must move quickly, and if for some reason
there is any significant delay between my readback of the clearance
and my actual take-off, I will advise the controller when I'm actually
rolling.

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message

This is the way I do it, mostly. If the controller makes it clear
that I must take off immediately, I acknowledge the clearance and also
indicate that I'm actually moving. Conversely, if the controller does
not make it clear that I must move quickly, and if for some reason
there is any significant delay between my readback of the clearance
and my actual take-off, I will advise the controller when I'm actually
rolling.

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