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On Sep 11, 10:47*am, " wrote:
On Sep 11, 10:36*am, "William Black"
wrote:

"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message

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On Sep 11, 7:24 am, Bill Kambic wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:46:02 -0700 (PDT), Rob Arndt

wrote:
This is only news if the West chooses to make it news; otherwise, it
is really nothing extraordinary, nor will it bring back the Cold
War...

The Cold War is over and is as much a part of history as the American
Civil War.

What you see now is a resurgence of Russian Nationalism and a new
round of the The Great Game. If more prople studied history they
would know what they are looking at.

Yes, think of grandpop back in the 1890s, pulling his old uniform out
of the trunk, brushing it off and wearing it into town on the Fourth
of July.

-----------------------

Or, *more to the point, *the men of Quantrill's Raiders dressing up in their
old uniforms to have a reunion on the date of their raid on Lawrence Kansas.

During the American Civil War they were treated very like al Quaida men are
being treated today.

--
William Black

* * * *Deservedly so. Actually, al Qaeda guys at least have the
possibility of a trial.

I will say that my grandparents and great grandparents lived for a
while in Jamesport Missouri. I think they would not share your opinion
of the fake colonel. He claimed he got a colonelcy in Richmond but no
one else knew about it.

"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
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On Sep 11, 10:47 am, " wrote:
On Sep 11, 10:36 am, "William Black"
wrote:

"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message

...
On Sep 11, 7:24 am, Bill Kambic wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:46:02 -0700 (PDT), Rob Arndt

wrote:
This is only news if the West chooses to make it news; otherwise, it
is really nothing extraordinary, nor will it bring back the Cold
War...

The Cold War is over and is as much a part of history as the American
Civil War.

What you see now is a resurgence of Russian Nationalism and a new
round of the The Great Game. If more prople studied history they
would know what they are looking at.

Yes, think of grandpop back in the 1890s, pulling his old uniform out
of the trunk, brushing it off and wearing it into town on the Fourth
of July.

-----------------------

Or, more to the point, the men of Quantrill's Raiders dressing up in
their
old uniforms to have a reunion on the date of their raid on Lawrence
Kansas.

During the American Civil War they were treated very like al Quaida men
are
being treated today.

--
William Black

Deservedly so. Actually, al Qaeda guys at least have the
possibility of a trial.

I will say that my grandparents and great grandparents lived for a
while in Jamesport Missouri. I think they would not share your opinion
of the fake colonel. He claimed he got a colonelcy in Richmond but no
one else knew about it.

-------------------------

Quantrill and Anderson most certainly did have commissions.

The issue of Quantrill's colonel's commission is gone into in great detail
in a book called 'the Devil Knows How to Ride' and the conclusion seems to
be that:

1. He was certainly commissioned, he is noted in several letters by men
who had no reason to admire him as having used it to avoid 'conventional'
military service for his men.

2. He led a group of regimental size with a number of officers under him.

The title 'colonel' was probably as valid as any other officer of that rank
who commanded a 'locally raised unit'.

It is interesting to note that Anderson, another 'Missouri guerrilla' who
certainly had a valid commission, this one from Sterling Price, is
referred to as 'Major Anderson' in his orders, also from Sterling Price...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"William Black" wrote in message
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"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
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On Sep 11, 10:47 am, " wrote:
On Sep 11, 10:36 am, "William Black"
wrote:

"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message

...
On Sep 11, 7:24 am, Bill Kambic wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:46:02 -0700 (PDT), Rob Arndt

wrote:
This is only news if the West chooses to make it news; otherwise, it
is really nothing extraordinary, nor will it bring back the Cold
War...

The Cold War is over and is as much a part of history as the American
Civil War.

What you see now is a resurgence of Russian Nationalism and a new
round of the The Great Game. If more prople studied history they
would know what they are looking at.

Yes, think of grandpop back in the 1890s, pulling his old uniform out
of the trunk, brushing it off and wearing it into town on the Fourth
of July.

-----------------------

Or, more to the point, the men of Quantrill's Raiders dressing up in
their
old uniforms to have a reunion on the date of their raid on Lawrence
Kansas.

During the American Civil War they were treated very like al Quaida men
are
being treated today.

--
William Black

Deservedly so. Actually, al Qaeda guys at least have the
possibility of a trial.

I will say that my grandparents and great grandparents lived for a
while in Jamesport Missouri. I think they would not share your opinion
of the fake colonel. He claimed he got a colonelcy in Richmond but no
one else knew about it.

-------------------------

Quantrill and Anderson most certainly did have commissions.

The issue of Quantrill's colonel's commission is gone into in great detail
in a book called 'the Devil Knows How to Ride' and the conclusion seems to
be that:

1. He was certainly commissioned, he is noted in several letters by men
who had no reason to admire him as having used it to avoid 'conventional'
military service for his men.

2. He led a group of regimental size with a number of officers under him.

The title 'colonel' was probably as valid as any other officer of that
rank who commanded a 'locally raised unit'.

It is interesting to note that Anderson, another 'Missouri guerrilla' who
certainly had a valid commission, this one from Sterling Price, is
referred to as 'Major Anderson' in his orders, also from Sterling
Price...

--
William Black


he might have secured a captaincy but there is nothing official to back that
up and he never commanded a regiment,

On Sep 11, 2:21*pm, "Raymond O'Hara"
wrote:
"William Black" wrote in message

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"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
....
On Sep 11, 10:47 am, " wrote:
On Sep 11, 10:36 am, "William Black"
wrote:

"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message

...
On Sep 11, 7:24 am, Bill Kambic wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:46:02 -0700 (PDT), Rob Arndt

wrote:
This is only news if the West chooses to make it news; otherwise, it
is really nothing extraordinary, nor will it bring back the Cold
War...

The Cold War is over and is as much a part of history as the American
Civil War.

What you see now is a resurgence of Russian Nationalism and a new
round of the The Great Game. If more prople studied history they
would know what they are looking at.

Yes, think of grandpop back in the 1890s, pulling his old uniform out
of the trunk, brushing it off and wearing it into town on the Fourth
of July.

-----------------------

Or, more to the point, the men of Quantrill's Raiders dressing up in
their
old uniforms to have a reunion on the date of their raid on Lawrence
Kansas.

During the American Civil War they were treated very like al Quaida men
are
being treated today.

--
William Black

Deservedly so. Actually, al Qaeda guys at least have the
possibility of a trial.

I will say that my grandparents and great grandparents lived for a
while in Jamesport Missouri. I think they would not share your opinion
of the fake colonel. He claimed he got a colonelcy in Richmond but no
one else knew about it.

-------------------------

Quantrill and Anderson most certainly did have commissions.

The issue of Quantrill's colonel's commission is gone into in great detail
in a book called 'the Devil Knows How to Ride' and the conclusion seems to
be that:

1. *He was certainly commissioned, *he is noted in several letters by men
who had no reason to admire him as having used it to avoid 'conventional'
military service for his men.

2. *He led a group of regimental size with a number of officers under him.

The title 'colonel' was probably as valid as any other officer of that
rank who commanded a 'locally raised unit'.

It is interesting to note that Anderson, *another 'Missouri guerrilla' who
certainly had a valid commission, *this one from Sterling Price, *is
referred to as 'Major Anderson' in his orders, *also from Sterling
Price...

--
William Black

he might have secured a captaincy but there is nothing official to back that
up and he never commanded a regiment,

Plus his antics made the Confederates abolish the Partisan Rangers
despite the gentlemanly success of Col. Mosby.

"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
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On Sep 11, 2:21 pm, "Raymond O'Hara"
wrote:
"William Black" wrote in message

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"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
...
On Sep 11, 10:47 am, " wrote:
On Sep 11, 10:36 am, "William Black"
wrote:

"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message

...
On Sep 11, 7:24 am, Bill Kambic wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:46:02 -0700 (PDT), Rob Arndt

wrote:
This is only news if the West chooses to make it news; otherwise,
it
is really nothing extraordinary, nor will it bring back the Cold
War...

The Cold War is over and is as much a part of history as the
American
Civil War.

What you see now is a resurgence of Russian Nationalism and a new
round of the The Great Game. If more prople studied history they
would know what they are looking at.

Yes, think of grandpop back in the 1890s, pulling his old uniform out
of the trunk, brushing it off and wearing it into town on the Fourth
of July.

-----------------------

Or, more to the point, the men of Quantrill's Raiders dressing up in
their
old uniforms to have a reunion on the date of their raid on Lawrence
Kansas.

During the American Civil War they were treated very like al Quaida
men
are
being treated today.

--
William Black

Deservedly so. Actually, al Qaeda guys at least have the
possibility of a trial.

I will say that my grandparents and great grandparents lived for a
while in Jamesport Missouri. I think they would not share your opinion
of the fake colonel. He claimed he got a colonelcy in Richmond but no
one else knew about it.

-------------------------

Quantrill and Anderson most certainly did have commissions.

The issue of Quantrill's colonel's commission is gone into in great
detail
in a book called 'the Devil Knows How to Ride' and the conclusion seems
to
be that:

1. He was certainly commissioned, he is noted in several letters by men
who had no reason to admire him as having used it to avoid
'conventional'
military service for his men.

2. He led a group of regimental size with a number of officers under
him.

The title 'colonel' was probably as valid as any other officer of that
rank who commanded a 'locally raised unit'.

It is interesting to note that Anderson, another 'Missouri guerrilla'
who
certainly had a valid commission, this one from Sterling Price, is
referred to as 'Major Anderson' in his orders, also from Sterling
Price...

--
William Black

he might have secured a captaincy but there is nothing official to back
that
up and he never commanded a regiment,

Plus his antics made the Confederates abolish the Partisan Rangers
despite the gentlemanly success of Col. Mosby.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mosby held a real commision and he was a bit of the army of northern
virginia.

when mosby was schedualed to surrender so many union troops and officers
showed up to get a glimpse of him he feared the yankees planned treachery.

mosby was also one of the early leaders of the "lost cause mythology
movement" alomg with john b gordon and jubal a early.

he was quite the guy.

"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message
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"William Black" wrote in message
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"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
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On Sep 11, 10:47 am, " wrote:
On Sep 11, 10:36 am, "William Black"
wrote:

"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message

...
On Sep 11, 7:24 am, Bill Kambic wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:46:02 -0700 (PDT), Rob Arndt

wrote:
This is only news if the West chooses to make it news; otherwise,
it
is really nothing extraordinary, nor will it bring back the Cold
War...

The Cold War is over and is as much a part of history as the
American
Civil War.

What you see now is a resurgence of Russian Nationalism and a new
round of the The Great Game. If more prople studied history they
would know what they are looking at.

Yes, think of grandpop back in the 1890s, pulling his old uniform out
of the trunk, brushing it off and wearing it into town on the Fourth
of July.

-----------------------

Or, more to the point, the men of Quantrill's Raiders dressing up in
their
old uniforms to have a reunion on the date of their raid on Lawrence
Kansas.

During the American Civil War they were treated very like al Quaida
men are
being treated today.

--
William Black

Deservedly so. Actually, al Qaeda guys at least have the
possibility of a trial.

I will say that my grandparents and great grandparents lived for a
while in Jamesport Missouri. I think they would not share your opinion
of the fake colonel. He claimed he got a colonelcy in Richmond but no
one else knew about it.

-------------------------

Quantrill and Anderson most certainly did have commissions.

The issue of Quantrill's colonel's commission is gone into in great
detail in a book called 'the Devil Knows How to Ride' and the conclusion
seems to be that:

1. He was certainly commissioned, he is noted in several letters by men
who had no reason to admire him as having used it to avoid 'conventional'
military service for his men.

2. He led a group of regimental size with a number of officers under
him.

The title 'colonel' was probably as valid as any other officer of that
rank who commanded a 'locally raised unit'.

It is interesting to note that Anderson, another 'Missouri guerrilla'
who certainly had a valid commission, this one from Sterling Price, is
referred to as 'Major Anderson' in his orders, also from Sterling
Price...

--
William Black


he might have secured a captaincy but there is nothing official to back
that up and he never commanded a regiment,

Both Quantrill and Anderson were undoubtedly commissioned.

Quantrill was called 'colonel' by his men and we have documentary evidence
that Anderson was considered a major by his commanding general.

A lot of people have, over the years, pretended that these men acted
without proper oversight by their government.

The extant evidence, and accounts at the time, seems to indicate that in
fact they operated as units of the confederate 'state'.

After the war it suited the men who had led the confederacy to denounce
them.

--
William Black

They said "There's no real money, do you want the standard fee or a
percentage?"

I looked at the script...
It was six weeks filming in the desert, no women, no dialogue, just men
with guns.
It was an obvious turkey, so I took the fee.

The next time I was ready.
I haven't needed to work since...

Eli Wallach on his roles in 'The Magnificent Seven' and 'The Good, The Bad
And The Ugly'

"William Black" wrote in message
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he might have secured a captaincy but there is nothing official to back
that up and he never commanded a regiment,

Both Quantrill and Anderson were undoubtedly commissioned.


undoubted by you. doubted by everybody else.



Quantrill was called 'colonel' by his men and we have documentary evidence
that Anderson was considered a major by his commanding general.


harlan sanders was called colonel by his men too. its a southern thing.



A lot of people have, over the years, pretended that these men acted
without proper oversight by their government.


they did operate without any oversite.
jeff davis might have been a traitor but quantrill and anderson were not the
type of men he approved of.




The extant evidence, and accounts at the time, seems to indicate that in
fact they operated as units of the confederate 'state'.


show this evidence. i've never seen it


After the war it suited the men who had led the confederacy to denounce
them.





--
William Black

They said "There's no real money, do you want the standard fee or a
percentage?"

I looked at the script...
It was six weeks filming in the desert, no women, no dialogue, just men
with guns.
It was an obvious turkey, so I took the fee.

The next time I was ready.
I haven't needed to work since...

Eli Wallach on his roles in 'The Magnificent Seven' and 'The Good, The
Bad And The Ugly'

"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message
...

"William Black" wrote in message
...


he might have secured a captaincy but there is nothing official to back
that up and he never commanded a regiment,

Both Quantrill and Anderson were undoubtedly commissioned.


undoubted by you. doubted by everybody else.



Quantrill was called 'colonel' by his men and we have documentary
evidence that Anderson was considered a major by his commanding general.


harlan sanders was called colonel by his men too. its a southern thing.



A lot of people have, over the years, pretended that these men acted
without proper oversight by their government.


they did operate without any oversite.
jeff davis might have been a traitor but quantrill and anderson were not
the type of men he approved of.




The extant evidence, and accounts at the time, seems to indicate that in
fact they operated as units of the confederate 'state'.


show this evidence. i've never seen it


Try reading books Ray.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"William Black" wrote in message
...

"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message
...

"William Black" wrote in message
...


he might have secured a captaincy but there is nothing official to back
that up and he never commanded a regiment,

Both Quantrill and Anderson were undoubtedly commissioned.


undoubted by you. doubted by everybody else.



Quantrill was called 'colonel' by his men and we have documentary
evidence that Anderson was considered a major by his commanding general.


harlan sanders was called colonel by his men too. its a southern thing.



A lot of people have, over the years, pretended that these men acted
without proper oversight by their government.


they did operate without any oversite.
jeff davis might have been a traitor but quantrill and anderson were not
the type of men he approved of.




The extant evidence, and accounts at the time, seems to indicate that
in fact they operated as units of the confederate 'state'.


show this evidence. i've never seen it


Try reading books Ray.

--
William Black


i have, including some on confederate partisans.

On Sep 11, 11:21*am, "William Black"
wrote:
"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message

...
On Sep 11, 10:47 am, " wrote:



On Sep 11, 10:36 am, "William Black"
wrote:

"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message

....
On Sep 11, 7:24 am, Bill Kambic wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:46:02 -0700 (PDT), Rob Arndt

wrote:
This is only news if the West chooses to make it news; otherwise, it
is really nothing extraordinary, nor will it bring back the Cold
War...

The Cold War is over and is as much a part of history as the American
Civil War.

What you see now is a resurgence of Russian Nationalism and a new
round of the The Great Game. If more prople studied history they
would know what they are looking at.

Yes, think of grandpop back in the 1890s, pulling his old uniform out
of the trunk, brushing it off and wearing it into town on the Fourth
of July.

-----------------------

Or, more to the point, the men of Quantrill's Raiders dressing up in
their
old uniforms to have a reunion on the date of their raid on Lawrence
Kansas.

During the American Civil War they were treated very like al Quaida men
are
being treated today.

--
William Black

Deservedly so. Actually, al Qaeda guys at least have the
possibility of a trial.

I will say that my grandparents and great grandparents lived for a
while in Jamesport Missouri. I think they would not share your opinion
of the fake colonel. He claimed he got a colonelcy in Richmond but no
one else knew about it.

-------------------------

Quantrill and Anderson most certainly did have commissions.

The issue of Quantrill's colonel's commission is gone into in great detail
in a book called 'the Devil Knows How to Ride' and the conclusion seems to
be that:

1. *He was certainly commissioned, *he is noted in several letters by men
who had no reason to admire him as having used it to avoid 'conventional'
military service for his men.

2. *He led a group of regimental size with a number of officers under him.

The title 'colonel' was probably as valid as any other officer of that rank
who commanded a 'locally raised unit'.

It is interesting to note that Anderson, *another 'Missouri guerrilla' who
certainly had a valid commission, *this one from Sterling Price, *is
referred to as 'Major Anderson' in his orders, *also from Sterling Price...

--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, *like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Maybe you could give me a page for that cite.

http://books.google.com/books?id=rJN...sult#PPA120,M1