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Unless the Comet was made of wood, then it would have been dynamite.


Lots of luck pressurising a wooden fuselage or getting pax to wear pressure
suits

Remember that the Mosquito was used for passenger service in WWII,
probably being the fastest "airliner" of the time. It was, of course,
in a limited market niche....

In 1942, the US and the UK split some aircraft development with the USA
concentrating on transports. This put the UK back after WW2. Despite
this
they still came up with the Comet, the world's first jet airliner, soon
after.


Which fell out of the air shortly afterwards

Keith

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they still came up with the Comet, the world's first jet airliner, soon
after.

Strictly speaking, it wasn't: that honour goes to the Vickers
Nene Viking. Comet I was, however, the first into commercial
service (the Nene Viking being more in the nature of a trial run).

Regardless of the problems, Comet was in a different class to
abominations like the Tudor.

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"ANDREW ROBERT BREEN" wrote in message
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Strictly speaking, it wasn't: that honour goes to the Vickers
Nene Viking. Comet I was, however, the first into commercial
service (the Nene Viking being more in the nature of a trial run).


Did the Nene Viking ever carry a passenger? As I recall, the Viking served
as a Nene engine testbed only and reverted to piston engines after it had
served that purpose. That doesn't sound like a jet airliner to me.

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"ANDREW ROBERT BREEN" wrote in message
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Strictly speaking, it wasn't: that honour goes to the Vickers
Nene Viking. Comet I was, however, the first into commercial
service (the Nene Viking being more in the nature of a trial run).


Did the Nene Viking ever carry a passenger? As I recall, the Viking
served
as a Nene engine testbed only and reverted to piston engines after it had
served that purpose. That doesn't sound like a jet airliner to me.

1948 -Vickers Nene Viking (World's first pure jet transport) made first
flight in April, followed in July by prototype Viscount 630 (world's first
turboprop airliner). It carried pasengers, but nmot fare paying.

http://www.apda61.dsl.pipex.com/Av4/Nenevik.JPG

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1948 -Vickers Nene Viking (World's first pure jet transport) made first
flight in April, followed in July by prototype Viscount 630 (world's first
turboprop airliner). It carried pasengers, but nmot fare paying.


The Nene Viking was not a jet transport. It was a propeller transport that
served briefly as a jet engine testbed. It never served as an airliner.

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1948 -Vickers Nene Viking (World's first pure jet transport) made first
flight in April, followed in July by prototype Viscount 630 (world's
first
turboprop airliner). It carried pasengers, but nmot fare paying.


The Nene Viking was not a jet transport.

It was.

It was a propeller transport that
served briefly as a jet engine testbed.

No. It was plane with jet engines and seats for people inside.

It never served as an airliner.

It did. It never took paying passengers.

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It was.


The Nene Viking was an engine test bed.



No. It was plane with jet engines and seats for people inside.


Airplanes without seats are called UAVs.



It did. It never took paying passengers.


That's how you can tell it was not an airliner. Airliners carry paying
passengers.

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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"ANDREW ROBERT BREEN" wrote in message
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Strictly speaking, it wasn't: that honour goes to the Vickers
Nene Viking. Comet I was, however, the first into commercial
service (the Nene Viking being more in the nature of a trial run).

Did the Nene Viking ever carry a passenger? As I recall, the Viking served

Honestly not sure - never carried fare-paying passengers, f'sure.

as a Nene engine testbed only and reverted to piston engines after it had
served that purpose. That doesn't sound like a jet airliner to me.

shrugs OK, first airliner to be powered by jet engines, if
you prefer. The Viking was certainly an airliner and the Nenes
were certainly jets, so whether or not the resulting combination
was intended for service as passenger-carrier or as a testbed
for the engine there's a touch of "airliner+jet" about it,
whichever way you re-arrange the words. The Avro Tudor V
probably falls into the same box (though, unusually for a Tudor,
not very hard).

Comet was the first one to fly commercially, though. Tu-104
probably the second (don't think Canadair C-102 ever carried
fare-paying passengers).

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http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/
"Who dies with the most toys wins" (Gary Barnes)

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In article .net,
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"ANDREW ROBERT BREEN" wrote in message
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Strictly speaking, it wasn't: that honour goes to the Vickers
Nene Viking. Comet I was, however, the first into commercial
service (the Nene Viking being more in the nature of a trial run).

Did the Nene Viking ever carry a passenger? As I recall, the Viking
served

Honestly not sure - never carried fare-paying passengers, f'sure.

as a Nene engine testbed only and reverted to piston engines after it had
served that purpose. That doesn't sound like a jet airliner to me.

shrugs OK, first airliner to be powered by jet engines, if
you prefer. The Viking was certainly an airliner and the Nenes
were certainly jets,

Which makes it a jet airliner.

so whether or not the resulting combination
was intended for service as passenger-carrier or as a testbed
for the engine there's a touch of "airliner+jet" about it,

I would say a lot. Airliner with jet engines, is a jet airliner.

whichever way you re-arrange the words. The Avro Tudor V
probably falls into the same box (though, unusually for a Tudor,
not very hard).

Comet was the first one to fly commercially, though. Tu-104
probably the second (don't think Canadair C-102 ever carried
fare-paying passengers).

--
Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group
http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/
"Who dies with the most toys wins" (Gary Barnes)

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Which makes it a jet airliner.


Nope. The Nene Viking was not an airliner.



I would say a lot. Airliner with jet engines, is a jet airliner.


Correct. That's why the de Havilland Comet and Avro Jetliner were jet
airliners and the Nene Viking was not.