Aren't and his claims of German U2 invention

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robert arndt wrote:

"Boomer" wrote in message
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the U-2 was little more than an F-104 with high aspect wings to
overfly
unfriendly airspace. Not much of a "concept" there, just the only way
to
achieve that kind of altitude with the tech of the day. I guess the
Germans
invented the F-104 as well. There were "big wing" recon planes in
WWII, I
guess they were stolen from Germany too.

Gee, the U-2 bears a rather strong resemblence to the F-104, does it?
Let's look at the DFS 228 captured by the US in 1945 and studied for a
year before being given to the British to evaluate (which led to the
Slingsby T-44 concept):

http://www.luft46.com/prototyp/dfs228.html

Yeah right, the DFS 228 has NOTHING to do with the U-2. Get real.

Rob

Rob, let me be the first to defend you. Here's the original aircraft that
proved to the world
that high aspect ratio wings are good - and it's Nazi-era German!

http://www.luftfahrtmuseum.com/htmi/itf/goe3.htm
http://www.hobbyclub.com/Gal-minimoa.htm

Gosh, Arndt is right! After comparing his DFS 228 and the above to the U-2,
I can see where he gets the idea that the U-2 bears a "strong resemblence"
to the German design, other than of course the different wing, fuselage,
tail, cockpit, and engine layouts... they both have wings, right?

Brooks


The DFS 228 was examined by the US Air Technical Intelligenece Unit
and other US aviation companies (hint:Lockheed) long before the Cl-282
proposal. Although it doesn't use a rocket engine nor escape capsule
the U-2 is still a high flying recon SAILPLANE with a ceiling the DFS
would have had in 1945 if the Walter engine would have been installed.
I could care less what Mr. Johnson claims or the Skunk Works. Lockheed
was well aware of German technology from the technical analysis of
wartime documents. BTW, the CIA was founded with the original SS spy
documentation on the Soviet Union. Funny how they ALSO got into the
disc aircraft programs too, which were SS controlled. Coincidence?
Never.

Rob

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robert arndt wrote:

"Boomer" wrote in message
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the U-2 was little more than an F-104 with high aspect wings to
overfly
unfriendly airspace. Not much of a "concept" there, just the only
way
to
achieve that kind of altitude with the tech of the day. I guess
the
Germans
invented the F-104 as well. There were "big wing" recon planes in
WWII, I
guess they were stolen from Germany too.

Gee, the U-2 bears a rather strong resemblence to the F-104, does
it?
Let's look at the DFS 228 captured by the US in 1945 and studied for
a
year before being given to the British to evaluate (which led to the
Slingsby T-44 concept):

http://www.luft46.com/prototyp/dfs228.html

Yeah right, the DFS 228 has NOTHING to do with the U-2. Get real.

Rob

Rob, let me be the first to defend you. Here's the original aircraft
that
proved to the world
that high aspect ratio wings are good - and it's Nazi-era German!

http://www.luftfahrtmuseum.com/htmi/itf/goe3.htm
http://www.hobbyclub.com/Gal-minimoa.htm

Gosh, Arndt is right! After comparing his DFS 228 and the above to the
U-2,
I can see where he gets the idea that the U-2 bears a "strong
resemblence"
to the German design, other than of course the different wing, fuselage,
tail, cockpit, and engine layouts... they both have wings, right?

Brooks


The DFS 228 was examined by the US Air Technical Intelligenece Unit
and other US aviation companies (hint:Lockheed) long before the Cl-282
proposal. Although it doesn't use a rocket engine nor escape capsule
the U-2 is still a high flying recon SAILPLANE with a ceiling the DFS
would have had in 1945 if the Walter engine would have been installed.
I could care less what Mr. Johnson claims or the Skunk Works. Lockheed
was well aware of German technology from the technical analysis of
wartime documents. BTW, the CIA was founded with the original SS spy
documentation on the Soviet Union. Funny how they ALSO got into the
disc aircraft programs too, which were SS controlled. Coincidence?
Never.

You have definitely gone round the bend. I guess next you will be telling us
that the US got the atomic bomb from Germany, huh? Germany surrendered in
May '45, Trinity did not take place until July...yep, sounds like conclusive
proof to me! LOL! Seek help, Arndt/Adler (or whatver moniker you are using
today)--quickly, before the men in the white coats with that wonderful new
jacket come for you.

Brooks


Rob

From: "Kevin Brooks"

You have definitely gone round the bend. I guess next you will be telling us
that the US got the atomic bomb from Germany, huh?

snip

Brooks


Teuton has already made that claim in another thread. According to him the
Nazis built and tested two atomic bombs.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Teuton has already made that claim in another thread. According to him the
Nazis built and tested two atomic bombs.


The bad news is that these nuclear weapons were lauched by Soviet-era ballistic
missiles, and were only rated for 89 seconds of thrust before they
"successfully self-liquidated".

G
====(A+C====
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Kevin Brooks"

You have definitely gone round the bend. I guess next you will be telling
us
that the US got the atomic bomb from Germany, huh?

snip

Brooks


Teuton has already made that claim in another thread. According to him the
Nazis built and tested two atomic bombs.


To be fair that was demented Denyav

Keith

From: "Keith Willshaw"
Date: 2/20/2004 1:43 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Kevin Brooks"

You have definitely gone round the bend. I guess next you will be telling
us
that the US got the atomic bomb from Germany, huh?

snip

Brooks


Teuton has already made that claim in another thread. According to him the
Nazis built and tested two atomic bombs.


To be fair that was demented Denyav

Keith

I stand corrected.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

(B2431) wrote in message ...
From: "Keith Willshaw"
Date: 2/20/2004 1:43 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"B2431" wrote in message
...
From: "Kevin Brooks"

You have definitely gone round the bend. I guess next you will be telling
us
that the US got the atomic bomb from Germany, huh?

snip

Brooks


Teuton has already made that claim in another thread. According to him the
Nazis built and tested two atomic bombs.


To be fair that was demented Denyav

Keith

I stand corrected.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Gee Dan, how nice of you. BTW, I think you were confusing what I said
in another thread. What I said is that Germany had two radiological
weapons under development at the end of WW2, not Atomic bombs.
In Feb 1945 the Sanger Silverbird project was reactivated. The bombs
for that Germany-to-New York mission (which had no chance of
succeeding) would have been radiological spheres contained within an
SC-series bomb casing. Two were under construction and captured by the
Allies and destroyed. The Sanger Silverbird never was built but the
mock-up was under construction at Lofer. In 1945 there was also the
planned A-9/A-10 ICBM which the A-9 had flown and the Prufstand XII
towed submarine missile containers under construction in Stettin.
Three were completed, but no missiles for them nor subs. The Hortens
also started small scale construction on the Ho XVIIIA flying wing
bomber. Only the tubular steel framework for the central section was
begun.
It was apparent that an effort was being made for some type of "strike
NY" attack but all efforts failed.

Rob