Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"

Chad Irby wrote:

AJC wrote:

Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.

Check up on Brazil, then. They were complaining about fingerprinting
people from Brazil coming into the US, but neglected to note that they
already fingerprint and photograph *all* of their own citizens.

Does that somehow make it better? Note he said a "big brother" regime.

How do you feel about the registration of firearm?

In article ,
James Robinson wrote:

Chad Irby wrote:

AJC wrote:

Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.

Check up on Brazil, then. They were complaining about fingerprinting
people from Brazil coming into the US, but neglected to note that they
already fingerprint and photograph *all* of their own citizens.

Does that somehow make it better? Note he said a "big brother" regime.

Brazil is a democracy, you should look up your terms.

How do you feel about the registration of firearm?

I don't approve of it.

Note that over the last couple of years, firearms laws have been
*relaxing* across most of the US, with one of the sillier ones going
away this September (the Assault Weapons Ban).

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Chad Irby wrote:

James Robinson wrote:

Chad Irby wrote:

AJC wrote:

Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.

Check up on Brazil, then. They were complaining about fingerprinting
people from Brazil coming into the US, but neglected to note that they
already fingerprint and photograph *all* of their own citizens.

Does that somehow make it better? Note he said a "big brother" regime.

Brazil is a democracy, you should look up your terms.

"Big Brother" is not restricted to totalitarian regimes. Again, being a
democracy, does it make it better that they take photos and fingerprints
from everybody?

How do you feel about the registration of firearm?

I don't approve of it.

Figures.

Note that over the last couple of years, firearms laws have been
*relaxing* across most of the US, with one of the sillier ones going
away this September (the Assault Weapons Ban).

Good idea. Let's all pass out assault weapons so the terrorists can get
hold of them more easily. And don't register them, so you can't find
them.

James Robinson wrote in
:

Chad Irby wrote:

James Robinson wrote:

Chad Irby wrote:

AJC wrote:

Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in
Cuba, the former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but
certainly not in any free country. Finger-printing is for
criminals.

Check up on Brazil, then. They were complaining about
fingerprinting people from Brazil coming into the US, but
neglected to note that they already fingerprint and photograph
*all* of their own citizens.

Does that somehow make it better? Note he said a "big brother"
regime.

Brazil is a democracy, you should look up your terms.

"Big Brother" is not restricted to totalitarian regimes. Again, being
a democracy, does it make it better that they take photos and
fingerprints from everybody?

How do you feel about the registration of firearm?

I don't approve of it.

Figures.

Note that over the last couple of years, firearms laws have been
*relaxing* across most of the US, with one of the sillier ones going
away this September (the Assault Weapons Ban).

Good idea. Let's all pass out assault weapons so the terrorists can
get hold of them more easily. And don't register them, so you can't
find them.


Uh,if a firearm is NOT left behind at a crime scene,there's nothing to
trace back to anyone. I hope you're not going to bring up "ballistic
fingerprinting",as it's ineffective,and the "FP" changes over time,with use
of the firearm,and CAN be intentionally altered easily,unlike true
fingerprints.

Registering firearms is only useful for confiscation.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

In article ,
James Robinson wrote:

"Big Brother" is not restricted to totalitarian regimes. Again, being a
democracy, does it make it better that they take photos and fingerprints
from everybody?

But I don't see you complaining about the *real* Big Brother problem of
all of the security cameras in England...

Good idea. Let's all pass out assault weapons so the terrorists can get
hold of them more easily. And don't register them, so you can't find
them.

Another fool who thinks that outlawing and/or registering firearms will
keep criminals and terrorists from getting them...

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cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Chad Irby wrote:

James Robinson wrote:

"Big Brother" is not restricted to totalitarian regimes. Again, being a
democracy, does it make it better that they take photos and fingerprints
from everybody?

But I don't see you complaining about the *real* Big Brother problem of
all of the security cameras in England...

I don't consider that a particular problem, since they aren't
automatically tracking my whereabouts. It is no worse than the systems
already in place in the US. Have you looked at the ceiling in your
local Walmart to see how many cameras they have?

The problem I have with taking fingerprints is that they are
specifically using them to track people, and marry up to central
databases of info on what I read in libraries, who I send Emails to, and
what I purchase with my credit card. That is a much more insidious
agenda than simply replacing the beat policeman's eyes with a camera.

Good idea. Let's all pass out assault weapons so the terrorists can get
hold of them more easily. And don't register them, so you can't find
them.

Another fool who thinks that outlawing and/or registering firearms will
keep criminals and terrorists from getting them...

My intent was to expose the inconsistency in your argument. You have no
problem with the government tracking peoples movements and maintaining a
database on your activities, but complain about the simple registration
of firearms, when you acknowledge that is a waste of time.

Tracking people ***doing*** what ??? The real point is being evaded...

Who cares if a policeman observes you cross the street if you're not
jaywalking???

Tim K

"James Robinson" wrote in message
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Chad Irby wrote:

James Robinson wrote:

"Big Brother" is not restricted to totalitarian regimes. Again,
being a
democracy, does it make it better that they take photos and
fingerprints
from everybody?

But I don't see you complaining about the *real* Big Brother problem
of
all of the security cameras in England...

I don't consider that a particular problem, since they aren't
automatically tracking my whereabouts. It is no worse than the
systems
already in place in the US. Have you looked at the ceiling in your
local Walmart to see how many cameras they have?

The problem I have with taking fingerprints is that they are
specifically using them to track people, and marry up to central
databases of info on what I read in libraries, who I send Emails to,
and
what I purchase with my credit card. That is a much more insidious
agenda than simply replacing the beat policeman's eyes with a camera.

Good idea. Let's all pass out assault weapons so the terrorists
can get
hold of them more easily. And don't register them, so you can't
find
them.

Another fool who thinks that outlawing and/or registering firearms
will
keep criminals and terrorists from getting them...

My intent was to expose the inconsistency in your argument. You have
no
problem with the government tracking peoples movements and maintaining
a
database on your activities, but complain about the simple
registration
of firearms, when you acknowledge that is a waste of time.

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
om...
Note that over the last couple of years, firearms laws have been
*relaxing* across most of the US, with one of the sillier ones going
away this September (the Assault Weapons Ban).

You would hate to live in the UK, then. You would not be able to own a
firearm.

Chad Irby wrote:

In article ,
James Robinson wrote:

How do you feel about the registration of firearm?

I don't approve of it.

Note that over the last couple of years, firearms laws have been
*relaxing* across most of the US, with one of the sillier ones going
away this September (the Assault Weapons Ban).

I live in Massachusetts, a state with some of the most
strict gun laws in the country.

I've had a pistol permit for years, and to get one, I've
undergone background checks from local, state police and
FBI. My picture and fingerprints are on file at all those
locations. I have to repeat the procedure every 5 years
to renew it (now at a cost of $100).

I am automatically considered such a potential danger to
society because of my interest in "plinking" with a hand
gun, that even civil libertarians seem to have no problem
with the procedure.

Yet to filter potential terrorists from entry to the country
via a 15 second on average, scan of finger prints is thought
to represent a serious breach of civil liberty.

I think anyone coming from Europe or the rest of the world,
who truly feels this represents "big brother" or "police
state America" best just stay home. I don't have much
sympathy for them.


SMH

"Stephen Harding" schreef in bericht
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I think anyone coming from Europe or the rest of the world,
who truly feels this represents "big brother" or "police
state America" best just stay home. I don't have much
sympathy for them.

Fine, we agree then and I for sure will stay home. I don't trust the US
government and believe they might abuse my fingerprints.

Sjoerd