Best Overall Motorglider available today?

On 10/12/20 4:26 PM, Dave Nadler wrote:
On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 4:14:01 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
...Those with removable battery packs are on the right path for general use..
Those with built in batteries are not seeing the big picture clearly..

Seriously? Removable batteries are heavy and susceptible to damage (as proven).



That quote came from Buzz, not Eric. Eric is all-in with batteries less
conveniently removed, in the wings. He'll be flying his Jeta next year.
Maybe just on Condor :-)

I remember an Electro Taurus that showed up at Parowan a few years ago,
solar cells covering his trailer. Supposedly the cells would charge a
staging battery in the trailer during the day, then they would
cross-charge the ship batteries at night.

Pilot told me in reality it took three days of sunshine to get adequate
charge, and was wondering about the availability of a 220 volt outlet.

Also, during shipping the weight of the solar cells had caused the
trailer top to sag, and damaged his canopy.

Sometimes things that sound great on paper don't work out as planned in
reality. Speaking of such, why has no one recommended the Sunseeker for
Nick?

-Dave

Ya Know what would be / Is the ultimate Great Basin ship IMHO?
The EB 29
Kinda big at a 96' wingspan but the 68/1 LD would be nice.
I was in Ely several years ago when there were two there, one flown by a gent I think named John Bally? and his buddy. I checked those planes out, very well finished. Beautiful.
Those guys said they were very nice to fly.
Actually Bally had the 2 seat EB 28 and took my brother Mike XC in it.
I think Binder has been a leader in suppling other manufactures with complete ICE systems for a long time.
At Moriarity NM this spring Keith Essex said this plane was on his radar as his next ship, after he wore out his JS3.
Any guess's on what these go for all decked out with a metal Cobra?
Nick
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On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 8:52:22 PM UTC-4, Nicholas Kennedy wrote:
Ya Know what would be / Is the ultimate Great Basin ship IMHO?
The EB 29
Kinda big at a 96' wingspan but the 68/1 LD would be nice.
I was in Ely several years ago when there were two there, one flown by a gent I think named John Bally? and his buddy. I checked those planes out, very well finished. Beautiful.
Those guys said they were very nice to fly.
Actually Bally had the 2 seat EB 28 and took my brother Mike XC in it.
I think Binder has been a leader in suppling other manufactures with complete ICE systems for a long time.
At Moriarity NM this spring Keith Essex said this plane was on his radar as his next ship, after he wore out his JS3.
Any guess's on what these go for all decked out with a metal Cobra?
Nick
T

from a search of ras: "On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-6, krasw wrote:
- show quoted text -
PS the EB28 Edition and the EB29 are about $300,000 with trailer and
the usual equipment - neither have automatic control hookups - both gliders
are incredibly good climbers even when very heavy - the handling is superb
and they are a pleasure to fly - "

I searched on "eb29 glider price"

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 3:42:43 AM UTC+2, Dan Daly wrote:
On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 8:52:22 PM UTC-4, Nicholas Kennedy wrote:
Ya Know what would be / Is the ultimate Great Basin ship IMHO?
The EB 29
Kinda big at a 96' wingspan but the 68/1 LD would be nice.
I was in Ely several years ago when there were two there, one flown by a gent I think named John Bally? and his buddy. I checked those planes out, very well finished. Beautiful.
Those guys said they were very nice to fly.
Actually Bally had the 2 seat EB 28 and took my brother Mike XC in it.
I think Binder has been a leader in suppling other manufactures with complete ICE systems for a long time.
At Moriarity NM this spring Keith Essex said this plane was on his radar as his next ship, after he wore out his JS3.
Any guess's on what these go for all decked out with a metal Cobra?
Nick
T
from a search of ras: "On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-6, krasw wrote:
- show quoted text -
PS the EB28 Edition and the EB29 are about $300,000 with trailer and
the usual equipment - neither have automatic control hookups - both gliders
are incredibly good climbers even when very heavy - the handling is superb
and they are a pleasure to fly - "

I searched on "eb29 glider price"

Last I heard the price was nearer 400k all in.
They do make an EB29E though with an electric engine and allegedly 3000m of climb. It can't take the new R wings though.
The best electric glider I ever flew was the Arcus E. I wish the concept had been developed further. Some newer/higher density batteries, and a few more evolutions of the Lange control systems would be the ultimate system in my opinion.

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 5:24:19 AM UTC-4, Matthew Scutter wrote:
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 3:42:43 AM UTC+2, Dan Daly wrote:
On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 8:52:22 PM UTC-4, Nicholas Kennedy wrote:
Ya Know what would be / Is the ultimate Great Basin ship IMHO?
The EB 29
Kinda big at a 96' wingspan but the 68/1 LD would be nice.
I was in Ely several years ago when there were two there, one flown by a gent I think named John Bally? and his buddy. I checked those planes out, very well finished. Beautiful.
Those guys said they were very nice to fly.
Actually Bally had the 2 seat EB 28 and took my brother Mike XC in it.
I think Binder has been a leader in suppling other manufactures with complete ICE systems for a long time.
At Moriarity NM this spring Keith Essex said this plane was on his radar as his next ship, after he wore out his JS3.
Any guess's on what these go for all decked out with a metal Cobra?
Nick
T
from a search of ras: "On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-6, krasw wrote:
- show quoted text -
PS the EB28 Edition and the EB29 are about $300,000 with trailer and
the usual equipment - neither have automatic control hookups - both gliders
are incredibly good climbers even when very heavy - the handling is superb
and they are a pleasure to fly - "

I searched on "eb29 glider price"

Last I heard the price was nearer 400k all in.
They do make an EB29E though with an electric engine and allegedly 3000m of climb. It can't take the new R wings though.
The best electric glider I ever flew was the Arcus E. I wish the concept had been developed further. Some newer/higher density batteries, and a few more evolutions of the Lange control systems would be the ultimate system in my opinion.

By the time you bring it home it is much higher than $400k

On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:52:22 PM UTC-7, Nicholas Kennedy wrote:
Ya Know what would be / Is the ultimate Great Basin ship IMHO?
The EB 29
Kinda big at a 96' wingspan but the 68/1 LD would be nice.
I was in Ely several years ago when there were two there, one flown by a gent I think named John Bally? and his buddy. I checked those planes out, very well finished. Beautiful.
Those guys said they were very nice to fly.
Actually Bally had the 2 seat EB 28 and took my brother Mike XC in it.
I think Binder has been a leader in suppling other manufactures with complete ICE systems for a long time.
At Moriarity NM this spring Keith Essex said this plane was on his radar as his next ship, after he wore out his JS3.
Any guess's on what these go for all decked out with a metal Cobra?
Nick
T

Nick, Kelvyn Flaval (KF) bought an EB29R this year. It was over $400k. He, along with Mitch Polinsky will be flying them at Ely next season. Sibylle and Ingo Andresen from Germany are Ely regulars and will probably be at Ely too. Ingo flies the 29R. Sibylle flies a 31.

Not sure how many EB29E actually exist? There was one at Sisteron
2018, the rear seat was tiny, really a one and a half seater?
It was taking aerotows, some problem with the battery charger and
smoke production? Reputed cost north of 400K€.....

On 10/13/20 10:11 AM, Dave Walsh wrote:
Not sure how many EB29E actually exist? There was one at Sisteron
2018, the rear seat was tiny, really a one and a half seater?
It was taking aerotows, some problem with the battery charger and
smoke production? Reputed cost north of 400K€.....


Strange that they took the normally single seat EB29 and squeezed in a
small second seat on the electric version.

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:55:03 AM UTC-4, Craig Reinholt wrote:
On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:52:22 PM UTC-7, Nicholas Kennedy wrote:
Ya Know what would be / Is the ultimate Great Basin ship IMHO?
The EB 29
Kinda big at a 96' wingspan but the 68/1 LD would be nice.
I was in Ely several years ago when there were two there, one flown by a gent I think named John Bally? and his buddy. I checked those planes out, very well finished. Beautiful.
Those guys said they were very nice to fly.
Actually Bally had the 2 seat EB 28 and took my brother Mike XC in it.
I think Binder has been a leader in suppling other manufactures with complete ICE systems for a long time.
At Moriarity NM this spring Keith Essex said this plane was on his radar as his next ship, after he wore out his JS3.
Any guess's on what these go for all decked out with a metal Cobra?
Nick
T

Nick, Kelvyn Flaval (KF) bought an EB29R this year. It was over $400k. He, along with Mitch Polinsky will be flying them at Ely next season. Sibylle and Ingo Andresen from Germany are Ely regulars and will probably be at Ely too. Ingo flies the 29R. Sibylle flies a 31.

Ingo does not fly the EB29 anymore.

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 11:45:48 AM UTC-5, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:55:03 AM UTC-4, Craig Reinholt wrote:
On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:52:22 PM UTC-7, Nicholas Kennedy wrote:
Ya Know what would be / Is the ultimate Great Basin ship IMHO?
The EB 29
Kinda big at a 96' wingspan but the 68/1 LD would be nice.
I was in Ely several years ago when there were two there, one flown by a gent I think named John Bally? and his buddy. I checked those planes out, very well finished. Beautiful.
Those guys said they were very nice to fly.
Actually Bally had the 2 seat EB 28 and took my brother Mike XC in it..
I think Binder has been a leader in suppling other manufactures with complete ICE systems for a long time.
At Moriarity NM this spring Keith Essex said this plane was on his radar as his next ship, after he wore out his JS3.
Any guess's on what these go for all decked out with a metal Cobra?
Nick
T

Nick, Kelvyn Flaval (KF) bought an EB29R this year. It was over $400k. He, along with Mitch Polinsky will be flying them at Ely next season. Sibylle and Ingo Andresen from Germany are Ely regulars and will probably be at Ely too. Ingo flies the 29R. Sibylle flies a 31.

Ingo does not fly the EB29 anymore.
Andrzej, I bought Sybille's ASH 31 recently. She told me she is getting a Ventus 3 with a self-launcher gas engine in Spring of next year.