Cold Starts

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:08:17 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:




Isn't the GEM a single cylinder monitor?

No.

The EDM-700 has six and I think that precludes using the Tanis.

No it does not. There are several options available, including dual use
probes as well as the heated bolts that I have. It may be more expensive,
however.


I have no experience with the Reiff system.

With a cover, my cylinders are usually around 100°F and the oil around
80°F
with OAT's down to -5°F or so.

Gets the cabin heater going more quickly, too, I surmise.

If I had a decent cabin heater, it might ng.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:08:17 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:




Isn't the GEM a single cylinder monitor?

No.

The EDM-700 has six and I think that precludes using the Tanis.

No it does not. There are several options available, including dual use
probes as well as the heated bolts that I have. It may be more expensive,
however.

It is, apparently. It also must be "customized" to the particular engine.

Right now it looks like $2300-$3000 or so for the Tanis system, or $675 for
the Reiff system for the bird I'm looking at.


I have no experience with the Reiff system.

With a cover, my cylinders are usually around 100°F and the oil around
80°F
with OAT's down to -5°F or so.

Gets the cabin heater going more quickly, too, I surmise.

If I had a decent cabin heater, it might ng.

Bummer, dude!!

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 03:26:14 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:

It is, apparently. It also must be "customized" to the particular engine.

Right now it looks like $2300-$3000 or so for the Tanis system, or $675 for
the Reiff system for the bird I'm looking at.

Wow. When I installed my TANIS, with the heated bolts, it was less
expensive than your Reiff quote.

What kind of bird?


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 03:26:14 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:

It is, apparently. It also must be "customized" to the particular engine.

Right now it looks like $2300-$3000 or so for the Tanis system, or $675
for
the Reiff system for the bird I'm looking at.

Wow. When I installed my TANIS, with the heated bolts, it was less
expensive than your Reiff quote.

What all came with your system?

I once got some numbers from the tanis website, but can't find them now. I
do recall that it was expensive.

The Reiff system is their top of the line with all the goodies. I like the
Reiff design better from what I see, so if someone can tell me why Tanis is
better, I'd appreciate it.


What kind of bird?


F33A with IO-550 upgrade.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:48:50 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:


"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 03:26:14 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:

It is, apparently. It also must be "customized" to the particular engine.

Right now it looks like $2300-$3000 or so for the Tanis system, or $675
for
the Reiff system for the bird I'm looking at.

Wow. When I installed my TANIS, with the heated bolts, it was less
expensive than your Reiff quote.

What all came with your system?

I once got some numbers from the tanis website, but can't find them now. I
do recall that it was expensive.

The Reiff system is their top of the line with all the goodies. I like the
Reiff design better from what I see, so if someone can tell me why Tanis is
better, I'd appreciate it.


What kind of bird?


F33A with IO-550 upgrade.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)


Well you've got six cylinders vs my four. My TANIS system included four
heated cylinder bolts, a heated oil screen, a plug for the AC, and all the
necessary cabling. My AC plug is wrapped to the oil filler tube -- a plug
mounted on a plate is available. The cost was under $600. But that was a
few years back.

Not being an engineer, I can't discuss which is better, or even if one is
better than the other.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Tom Sixkiller wrote:


What kind of bird?



F33A with IO-550 upgrade.

Ya put two glue on oil sump heater pads on that 550, wrap the whole
thing in a Kennon cowl cover and your pre heat problems are solved. If
I have to park outside they both get plugged in, if I'm in my hangar
then just one. After a few hours the oil is at 100F and each and every
CHT and EGT is 80F. All for less than half of that Tanis and Reiff
crap. Plus have you seen what all those cords look like under the cowl
after a few years of use? You will be replacing, splicing, etc.
They're always in the way when it comes to maintenence thereby costing
you more money.

I agree, all you need is the heat pad. But you can't leave it plugged
in all the time, you have to plug it in a few hours before the flight.

Newps wrote in message news:XUa%b.59118$4o.77556@attbi_s52...
Tom Sixkiller wrote:


What kind of bird?



F33A with IO-550 upgrade.

Ya put two glue on oil sump heater pads on that 550, wrap the whole
thing in a Kennon cowl cover and your pre heat problems are solved. If
I have to park outside they both get plugged in, if I'm in my hangar
then just one. After a few hours the oil is at 100F and each and every
CHT and EGT is 80F. All for less than half of that Tanis and Reiff
crap. Plus have you seen what all those cords look like under the cowl
after a few years of use? You will be replacing, splicing, etc.
They're always in the way when it comes to maintenence thereby costing
you more money.

After I put the plane away the nose mitten goes on and the cord gets
plugged in, assuming the temp won't be over 45 before I fly again.



Doug wrote:
I agree, all you need is the heat pad. But you can't leave it plugged
in all the time, you have to plug it in a few hours before the flight.

Newps wrote in message news:XUa%b.59118$4o.77556@attbi_s52...

Tom Sixkiller wrote:



What kind of bird?



F33A with IO-550 upgrade.

Ya put two glue on oil sump heater pads on that 550, wrap the whole
thing in a Kennon cowl cover and your pre heat problems are solved. If
I have to park outside they both get plugged in, if I'm in my hangar
then just one. After a few hours the oil is at 100F and each and every
CHT and EGT is 80F. All for less than half of that Tanis and Reiff
crap. Plus have you seen what all those cords look like under the cowl
after a few years of use? You will be replacing, splicing, etc.
They're always in the way when it comes to maintenence thereby costing
you more money.