Removing old antennas

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:iI76c.32458$_w.542610@attbi_s53...
Is it worth the bother?

We're coming up on our annual inspection in May, and there are at least
four
antennas on our bird that do nothing. I'll bet there's a few feet of
cable
going to each one, too.

Does removing an antenna net you any extra speed, or is it mainly a weight
reduction thing?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

You have no choice. You are REQUIRED to remove inoperative equipment. Part
91.405 (c).

Best,
Karl.

BTW, the reg says the equipment must be repaired, replaced, removed or
inspected at the next required inspection. What they mean by "inspected" is
if a required inspection is due. Not just the mechanic peering at a piece of
inop equipment and letting it go for another year! This rule is regularily
ignored by the GA community. But it would never fly at a reputable repair
facility. Once the antennas are removed you will have to revise the
equipment list and weight and balance.

"Curator" N185KG, fire breathing Skywagon!

Oh, Christ. Here we go again...


Jim




"kage"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

-
-You have no choice. You are REQUIRED to remove inoperative equipment. Part
-91.405 (c).
-
-Best,
-Karl.




Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:46:28 -0800, Jim Weir wrote:

Oh, Christ. Here we go again...


Jim

That's EXACTLY (word for word) what my response was going to be!

They are working spares so they can Stay :-)
Michelle

kage wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:iI76c.32458$_w.542610@attbi_s53...


Is it worth the bother?

We're coming up on our annual inspection in May, and there are at least


four


antennas on our bird that do nothing. I'll bet there's a few feet of


cable


going to each one, too.

Does removing an antenna net you any extra speed, or is it mainly a weight
reduction thing?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



Jay,

You have no choice. You are REQUIRED to remove inoperative equipment. Part
91.405 (c).

Best,
Karl.

BTW, the reg says the equipment must be repaired, replaced, removed or
inspected at the next required inspection. What they mean by "inspected" is
if a required inspection is due. Not just the mechanic peering at a piece of
inop equipment and letting it go for another year! This rule is regularily
ignored by the GA community. But it would never fly at a reputable repair
facility. Once the antennas are removed you will have to revise the
equipment list and weight and balance.

"Curator" N185KG, fire breathing Skywagon!





--

Michelle P ATP-ASEL, CP-AMEL, and AMT-A&P

"Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike)

Volunteer Pilot, Angel Flight Mid-Atlantic

Volunteer Builder, Habitat for Humanity

kage wrote:

You have no choice. You are REQUIRED to remove inoperative equipment.

All of these antennae work just fine, so they don't have to be removed. There's
no reg that says they have to be connected to anything.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

"kage" wrote in message ...
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message


Jay,

You have no choice. You are REQUIRED to remove inoperative equipment. Part
91.405 (c).

Best,
Karl.

BTW, the reg says the equipment must be repaired, replaced, removed or
inspected at the next required inspection. What they mean by "inspected" is
if a required inspection is due. Not just the mechanic peering at a piece of
inop equipment and letting it go for another year! This rule is regularily
ignored by the GA community. But it would never fly at a reputable repair
facility. Once the antennas are removed you will have to revise the
equipment list and weight and balance.

WRONG!!!!!
91.405(c)
each owner operator blah blah blah (c)shall have any inoperative
instrument or item of equipment permitted to be blah blah blah.
Inspected means. You have that piece of equipment inspected to be
sure it is still deactivated.

For an example: Say I have a Piper Arrow with inop air conditioning.
I can deactivate and placard that system. Never have it fixed. As long
as. At the next required inspection.(IE 100 hr or annual), I inspect
it to make sure it is still deactivated and placarded AND Make a
logbook entry of such.

Good to go till next inspection....

Joe A&P/IA

Dream on mamma,

Say what you want. Like I said, it is generally ignored by shade tree
mechanics working on Piper Arrows. But if you bring your Gulfstream into a
legitimate shop your inoperative equipment WILL be repaired, replaced,
removed or required inspections performed and the equipment returned to
service.


inspected"joe mamma" wrote in message
om...
"kage" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message


Jay,

You have no choice. You are REQUIRED to remove inoperative equipment.
Part
91.405 (c).

Best,
Karl.

BTW, the reg says the equipment must be repaired, replaced, removed or
inspected at the next required inspection. What they mean by "inspected"
is
if a required inspection is due. Not just the mechanic peering at a
piece of
inop equipment and letting it go for another year! This rule is
regularily
ignored by the GA community. But it would never fly at a reputable
repair
facility. Once the antennas are removed you will have to revise the
equipment list and weight and balance.

WRONG!!!!!
91.405(c)
each owner operator blah blah blah (c)shall have any inoperative
instrument or item of equipment permitted to be blah blah blah.
Inspected means. You have that piece of equipment inspected to be
sure it is still deactivated.

For an example: Say I have a Piper Arrow with inop air conditioning.
I can deactivate and placard that system. Never have it fixed. As long
as. At the next required inspection.(IE 100 hr or annual), I inspect
it to make sure it is still deactivated and placarded AND Make a
logbook entry of such.

Good to go till next inspection....

Joe A&P/IA

Kage,

I do agree with you about it being ignored. Alot of pilots/owners are
not aware of this loophole. In fact, AOPA I believe,or maybe it was
Aircraft technician, Did an article on this very same subject. What
gets most people is that the equipment was deactivated and every thing
is fine but they fail to make a logbook entry noting the deactivated
equipment was in fact inspected.

As for your comments infering that because an A&P works on A Piper
Arrow, he is a shade tree mechanic....well it's just an assholic
comment.I have seen outstanding single engine mechanics.

By the way, I have been working on GII, GIII, GIV for about 20 yrs.
Have done engine changes, 72 month inspections..just about
everything....And Yes, I have left SAV. with properly deactivated
equip....

Joe





"kage" wrote in message ...
Dream on mamma,

Say what you want. Like I said, it is generally ignored by shade tree
mechanics working on Piper Arrows. But if you bring your Gulfstream into a
legitimate shop your inoperative equipment WILL be repaired, replaced,
removed or required inspections performed and the equipment returned to
service.


inspected"joe mamma" wrote in message
om...
"kage" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message


Jay,

You have no choice. You are REQUIRED to remove inoperative equipment.
Part
91.405 (c).

Best,
Karl.

BTW, the reg says the equipment must be repaired, replaced, removed or
inspected at the next required inspection. What they mean by "inspected"
is
if a required inspection is due. Not just the mechanic peering at a
piece of
inop equipment and letting it go for another year! This rule is
regularily
ignored by the GA community. But it would never fly at a reputable
repair
facility. Once the antennas are removed you will have to revise the
equipment list and weight and balance.

WRONG!!!!!
91.405(c)
each owner operator blah blah blah (c)shall have any inoperative
instrument or item of equipment permitted to be blah blah blah.
Inspected means. You have that piece of equipment inspected to be
sure it is still deactivated.

For an example: Say I have a Piper Arrow with inop air conditioning.
I can deactivate and placard that system. Never have it fixed. As long
as. At the next required inspection.(IE 100 hr or annual), I inspect
it to make sure it is still deactivated and placarded AND Make a
logbook entry of such.

Good to go till next inspection....

Joe A&P/IA

"joe mamma" wrote in message
om...
Kage,

As for your comments infering that because an A&P works on A Piper
Arrow, he is a shade tree mechanic....well it's just an assholic
comment.I have seen outstanding single engine mechanics.


Of course, Joe, I said that tongue in cheek, knowing it would get a rise.
This IS Usenet! One must keep the standards up.

I guess the point is that one can find some scum bag mechanic to sign off on
anything. Just like you can find some "assholic" pilot to fly that same
airplane away. My own mechanic was charging $35/hr. five years ago. He was
always complaining about the way he was treated by his customers.They always
wanted something for nothing, for him to sign off on questionable items,
borrowing his tools, borrowing his hangar, questioning his knowledge about
airworthy parts, showing him how to "correctly" do his job.....etc, etc.

I seriously urged him to raise his rates, which he did, in several increases
over the years. He is now at $95/hr. He is still busy. But, ALL of the
freeloaders have gone away. Plus, he has time for his own projects that make
him far more money than doing annuals. I am now suggesting to him that $105
sounds somehow psychologically lower than $95. I want him to stay in the
business and be comfortable. His knowledge of my airplane is exceptional and
his basement is full of new parts from his old, closed, large shop, from
which he too, escaped.

Congratulations on escaping SAV.

Karl