c-152 rudder???

Which is what would happen. Any control surface falling off is a
death sentence.
Besides, the rudder is part of the vertical surface contributing to
lateral stability. The airplane would be inclined to fly sideways
without the rudder. Some aircraft, like my Jodel and many of the Zenair
airplanes, have no fixed vertical surface and rely almost entirely on
the rudder for stability.

Dan

In article .com,
wrote:

It's more than just rudder stops. The stops themselves are strong
enough and don't get "deformed" much. The rudder hinges wear and the
bellcrank can get bent or loose in the rudder, and these contribute to
the rudder stop going over the stop head and getting caught. Once that
happens, there's nothing you can do from the cockpit to unhook it.
There was an accident here in Canada that resulted in a Canadian
AD forcing modification of the stops. A student and instructor were
killed when the rudder locked hard over when entering a practice spin
and they couldn't stop the rotation, thereby preventing spin recovery.
There's a Cessna Service Bulletin against the stops, too. Any
150/152 owner would be wise to get it checked out. There are a lot of
aging airplanes out there with worn-out parts in the rudder system.
Cessna sells a kit to install non-catching stops.

Dan

I was taught for both the 152 and the 172 that during preflight you
should push the rudder from stop-to-stop and verify that the stops hit
head-on and everything is secure.

ok, that's something new for me. all i know to do is just look to see
if everything seems connected and wiggle it a little. can you please
talk a little more about how to really check the rudder.?
dan....oh, and thanks!

Any control surface falling off is a death sentence.

I know a pilot who lost a control surface in a 150 Aerobat who will be
very surprised to hear it. Rumors of his death are highly exaggerated.
Michael

Any control surface falling off is a death sentence.

Losing a rudder would be no big deal. Losing one aileron doesn't render
the aircraft unflyable, lose both and you'd have to drive with the
rudder. Losing one or both flaps isn't a big deal.

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Which is what would happen. Any control surface falling off is a
death sentence.

Not.


Besides, the rudder is part of the vertical surface contributing to
lateral stability. The airplane would be inclined to fly sideways
without the rudder. Some aircraft, like my Jodel and many of the Zenair
airplanes, have no fixed vertical surface and rely almost entirely on
the rudder for stability.

Dan

Losing a rudder would be no big deal. Losing one aileron doesn't render
the aircraft unflyable, lose both and you'd have to drive with the
rudder. Losing one or both flaps isn't a big deal.
BRBR


I once watched a pipe line patrol hop in a 152, start it up and take off -
missing an aileron. So much for a careful pre-flight. Came around the pattern,
taxied back, shut her down and walked away.


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"clyde woempner" wrote in message
...
I have had our 150/150 for many years. It is a solid honest airplane and I
used it for 8.5 years to commute, about once/twice a month, from the L.A.
area to the Eureka area. With the tip tanks this was a non stop flight
with
enough reserve for another hour. With the prop pitched for cruise, I was
able to throttle back to 2100 RPM and cruised at 110 mph. At this setting
I
burned 6.5 Gals/hour


I have a C-85 with 0-200 insides in my Luscombe 8E. I cruise at 110 mph and
climb about 1000 fpm. I have a standard prop (1A90 at 7151). I burn 5.5 gph
consistently. I carry 27.5 gallons of fuel so my range is longer than I can
endure without a stop.

I can carry 75 lb baggage, but it's hard getting 75 lbs back there! I do use
my airplane to camp regularly.

Deb
--
1946 Luscombe 8A (His)
1948 Luscombe 8E (Hers)
1954 Cessna 195B, restoring (Ours)
Jasper, Ga. (JZP)

Grab the bottom of the rudder and pull back and down a bit to see if
the hinges are worn. The rudder pedal springs hold the rudder forward
and the slop isn't readily evident during a normal preflight. See if
you can wiggle the bellcrank in the rudder, or if there's any
deformation of the metal that it's attached to. Some nervous pilots
are in the habit of standing on the pedals with tense leg muscles,
putting a lot of strain on the bottom end of the rudder. Some people
have their airplanes tied down outside in strong winds and the rudder
gets bashed against the stops, beating things up.

Dan

Missing a control surface is different than losing one in flight.
Cables are pretty strong and might tend to hold on until something else
breaks, and in the meantime there's a lot of unusual drag and flapping
around going on. I sure wouldn't want to be aboard. A Cessna's aileron
pushrod would probably bust right of and let the aileron go, but a
rudder would be a different story.
I'm an aircraft mechanic and a pilot. I hear stories that make
me look at things closely. I have a mechanic friend who did some
experimental reasearch on the cable breakage of Cessna 185 flap control
system. They disconnected the LH flap and tried to see, in flight, what
might happen if one was down and the other up. They were just able to
keep it level with full aileron as the RH flap came all the way down.
He said that if that cable broke suddenly at low level on approach
there would be no way to control the airplane; it would roll over right
away.
Dan