Moving violation..NASA form?

You screwed up by taxiing without permission. Now you know better. Once
cleared to a runway you did not need permission to cross intervening
runways, closed or not.

This will not be the last time you screw up. File the NASA form when you do
and move on.

C J Campbell ) wrote:

This will not be the last time you screw up. File the NASA form when you do
and move on.

Hopefully this incident will be the last time he taxis without permission.

--
Peter












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"Peter R." wrote:

Hopefully this incident will be the last time he taxis without permission.

Experience is what enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...

Experience is what enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it
again.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the
mud.

An expert is an individual who has made every possible mistake in a very
narrow field of inquiry

--Niels Bohr

Joe Johnson wrote:

An expert is an individual who has made every possible mistake in a very
narrow field of inquiry

Ex - a prefix indicating that you don't do this anymore.
Spurt - a drip under pressure.
Expert - a former drip under pressure.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
This will not be the last time you screw up. File the NASA form when you
do
and move on.

Gee, thanks for the vote of confidence

I thought about the incident a bit more and I realize one of the factors in
deciding not to talk to tower was something that had happened before during
my training.

I had done a stop and go during my long x-country and while departing out of
the class D, I requested permission to change frequency. I was rather
bluntly told that I dont need permission. I think in the back of my mind,
that little exchange was still in the back of my mind and maybe I partly
felt unncessary to bother the controller with my taxi request.

So I dont know what the solution is to that, but with so much to learn and
remember as a student, you sometimes forget if permission is required or not
and being cautious you go ahead and ask, but you get chewed out sometimes
that leaves you wondering if you should have asked!

Nasir ) wrote:

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So I dont know what the solution is to that, but with so much to learn and
remember as a student, you sometimes forget if permission is required or not
and being cautious you go ahead and ask, but you get chewed out sometimes
that leaves you wondering if you should have asked!

Always better to err on the side of caution and ask. I hear commercial
airline pilots confirming frequencies, headings, altitudes, and the such
all the time, despite reading back the request moments earlier.

Realize that there are always going to be some crabby controllers mixed in
with a lot of good ones. Never take their attitude personally, for you
could be the pinnacle of comm radio excellence and still get barked at by a
controller having a bad day/life.

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Realize that there are always going to be some crabby controllers mixed in
with a lot of good ones. Never take their attitude personally, for you
could be the pinnacle of comm radio excellence and still get barked at by
a
controller having a bad day/life.


Its amazing to me the number of controllers that have no aviation experience
outside of their jobs. This isn't to say that they are bad controllers
because of it. But, just like its good for pilots to visit the tower to see
how ATC works (can you still do that post-9/11?), I wonder how much training
the ATC folks get on "our" side of the fence.

My father was a PATCO controller (pre-Reagan firing) and he was in the
minority in that he had his PPL.

"Jeff Franks" wrote in message ...

My father was a PATCO controller (pre-Reagan firing) and he was in the
minority in that he had his PPL.

Yep, such is the nature of things. I saw a similar thing with ER docs and
Paramedics. Frequently neither new anything of the other's roles other than
what was in the official protocols (and sometimes a poor understanding of
that). I happened to be working in the ER one day when some intern was
standing their exasperated doing a cardiac consult with a unit in the field.
"I don't know what more they expect me to do for this patient." I pointed out
that they wanted her to tell them they could stop treatment on a dead patient.
Our protocols don't allow paramedics to discontinue treatment ONCE it is
started on our own authority.

"Nasir" wrote in message
. com...
|
| I had done a stop and go during my long x-country and while departing out
of
| the class D, I requested permission to change frequency. I was rather
| bluntly told that I dont need permission.

No, you do not need permission. It is courteous to inform the tower that you
are changing frequencies. The guy who barked at you is a jerk. He will not
be the last one of those you will run into, either.